This is my biggest frustration with these posts. We might not like it, but CEOs are still working class. Most of their wealth is derived from a paycheck. They aren't even the owning class. They're rich AF, but they're a symptom more than a problem.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

CEOs are not working class dumbass hahahaha

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Working class means your primary wealth generation tool is selling your labor. The compensation plans vary widely, but I think most CEOs are earning most of their wealth through a salary vs returns on things they own.

You can hate it all you want, but that's what working class means.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They're mostly paid in stock options.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

According to Forbes, on average 60% of CEO compensation is equity. In short, I was wrong. My bad!

[–] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ok genius, what's the"labor" provided by a CEO? How do horizontal organizations like cooperative manage without that piece of labor? Do you know what a traitor of it class is? It's the reason police don't get the working class title either, they are watchdogs that provide no labor value, just means of control for the ruling class. Fuck capitalism, CEOs, the police, and everyone collaborating with oppression.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't think value to society weighs into the equation, just the ratio of salary to ownership wealth gain.

There are bad people in the working class that are a net detriment to society, just as there are good people in the owning class that are a net benefit. Those good and bad deeds don't change how they accrue wealth and therefore don't change their class.

This working class isn't a morality judgement, it's a wealth ratio per individual.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 4 days ago

answer, the question, what is the actual labor value provided to the chain by those laborers? laborers create actual value, the ruling class exploit and extract value created by others. not for society as you say, but actual you know, value, wealth. they are contributing to production or not? it's easy to answer for real labor, mental gymnastics else. They are or are not fucking parasites of the laborers? Answer the question.