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‘What a circus’: eligible US voters on why they didn’t vote in the 2024 presidential election
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 14 Dec 2024
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Why would I care about changing anyone's mind at this point? America is going to be a fascist dictatorship. Any sort of semblance of a free and fair election are over.
By understanding the problem potential solutions may emerge.
Doomerism helps the owner class, they need you to feel helpless and isolated. Don't let them win.
Do you know nothing about Project 2025? You've had a long time to learn about it. The whole point is to keep Republicans in power perpetually and remove any need for legitimate elections.
And you think you can vote your way out of that?
(By the way, I love how you've gone from "this sort of arguing won't change anyone's mind" to "why aren't you trying to change people's minds?!?!")
Re:btw what do you mean? It's the same thing: you should be trying to change people's minds, and be better at that, and I'm bringing your attention to it. You are a prolific poster all over the fediverse, so you can have a big impact on people. And I think you are aware of it.
I've known about the P25 for a long time, I'm well aware of its consequences. Burying our heads and losing our hope is the only way they can get away with it.
Kings have fallen, and we all should do our best to not create them again. That includes understanding those who voted for them. Ignoring the problem or its root cause won't change anything.
I keep repeating this line in my head:
They already got away with it.
They have not. As long as we fight, they will not get away with it.
Please do name the absolute monarch that fell because people had a vote and the monarch said, "fair enough," and stepped down.
And I like how your only two options are "vote expecting elections to be fair" and "do nothing."
You are completely misrepresenting what I'm writing, and I'm done discussing with you.
Have a nice day.
Enjoy seeing your voting accomplish nothing ever again.
I'm not an american, but I watch closely what's going on there.
You enjoy for self-fulfilling prophecies and laying down.
I thought you were done discussing it with me.
And yes, believing in Project 2025's aims, which Trump just re-endorsed, is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I noticed you never gave any sort of rational pathway for Trump to offer fair elections or accept their outcome. Is it because there isn't one?
Don't stick your head in the sand, oppose anything that threatens democracy, don't just accept defeat.
Again, what is the rational pathway for Trump to offer fair elections or accept their outcome?
You know you can't answer that question because you know there isn't one.
And you still have this ludicrous idea in your head that the two options are "hope for a free and fair election" and "accept defeat."