Technology

57418 readers

4750 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.

Our Rules

Follow the lemmy.world rules.
Only tech related content.
Be excellent to each another!
Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
Politics threads may be removed.
No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

435

Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality (www.reuters.com)

submitted 11 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

159 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality::Tesla Inc is set to defend itself for the first time at trial against allegations that failure of its Autopilot driver assistant feature led to death, in what will likely be a major test of Chief Executive Elon Musk's assertions about the technology.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] decerian@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Those stats are misleading though. Autopilot only runs on highways, which are much safer per mile even for human drivers.

Tesla are basically comparing their system, which only runs in pristine, ideal conditions, against an average human that has to deal with the real world.

As far as I'm aware they haven't released safety per mile data from the FSD cars yet, and until they do I will remain skeptical about how much safer it currently is.

[–] Asifall@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

It actually would be really hard to get an unbiased estimate of safety given the current systems, because the data is inherently cherry picked by drivers who can switch the feature on/off depending on how complex the driving task is. What a simple number like crashes per mile really measures is really how likely FSD drivers are to overestimate the system’s ability plus some unknown base rate of unavoidable accidents.

Probably the only way to control for this is looking at cars that are fully autonomous door to door and aren’t limited to pre-selected roads/areas. I don’t know that anyone is even doing that sort of testing.

[–] tmRgwnM9b87eJUPq@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Hmm you’re right about autopilot mainly being used on highways and those roads are a lot safer. I’ll edit my main comment

[–] skymtf@pricefield.org 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't auto pilot kinda work on normal roads now? Not saying I trust the stat either.

[–] ephemeral_gibbon@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

That'd be the fsd stats, not autopilot

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

According to this report, the average Tesla equipped with FSD Beta, driven on predominantly non-highway sections of road, crashes 0.31 times per million miles, a dramatic decrease from the average American, who crashes 1.53 times every million miles.

Source

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does that report from Tesla include when autopilot turns off shortly before crashing into something?

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz -1 points 11 months ago

That's literally the only data we have so that's what I'm basing my opinion to while being fully aware that while I doubt that these stats lie they may however be misleading as statistics often are.

My key argument still stands; autopilot/FSD is not as bad/dangerous as people here make them to be and they're getting better all the time.

If one is going to make the claim that these systems are more dangerous than human driver then show me the data you're basing it on. People surely don't think that just because they don't like the company/CEO, right?