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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I'm pretty sure that was part of the point.

Legally, the murder was wrong. Full stop. There's no legal argument here that it wasn't. It may not have been the guy they caught, but someone was murdered and legally that's wrong.

Morally though, it's a lot more gray. It's pretty easy to prove that health insurers policies have literally been killing people thousands of people a year at at a minimum and even if it's legal for some reason, that's also still morally wrong. Attacking someone who's attacking other people is usually called defending.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The CEO was on his way to implement policies that would kill thousands of people, and injure tens of thousands.

I see no moral gray area.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Legally, the murder was wrong. Full stop.

True but this was self defense. I don't see murder. Murder is the terminology of the regime who is trying to pin some crime on him that I don't see.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It doesn't sound like it was self defence, even if you stretch the meaning away from the legal. His life wasn't directly threatened by this organization.

He did it on behalf of others, which eliminates the self in self defence.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah and cops are always in fear when they murder a civilian..

Tomato, potato

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

True but this was self defense.

Is this a misuse of legal terms, or is there some sort of evidence behind this?

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was being cheeky mostly but i do think if we as society re asses what self defense means, whoever killed the parasite was defending america from social murder.

The ruling class would never accept such narrative but every American can decide for himself.

When cop murders a civilian for no reason, aint it always also defense? So clearly they misuse the term here. I think newer argument has more legs to stand on.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The term is "justifiable homicide".

If the Joker is about to blow up a bus of 30 people and Batman shoots him dead with a gun then the jury acquits because it was justifiable homicide

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think the difference with cops is that they don't need the self-defense argument, because the "oopsie" argument gets them out of jail too

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 week ago

well they always say "feared for their life" so i think you have a point but that argument is root in idea that they always have a right to defend themselves and be given deference on their decision making, ie they only need to feel that way subjectively.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

When peaceful and effective protest are a choose1, gotta go with effective. If anything, it seems to me to be little different to the trolley problem.

[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been thinking of it like what happened to Nicolai Caucescu. Sure, his death shouldn't have happened and he should have had a trial for his crimes, corruption, and abuses of power; but, Romania came out better afterwards.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 1 week ago

One of the few times where freedom is washed in the tyrants blood instead of the working class. Truly a victory.

[–] shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Legally, the murder was wrong. Full stop.

¡Hey Buddy! That's for a jury to decide

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Not really. The jury will decide if this particular person is guilty or not, but either way a man was murderer and that's an illegal action by whomever did it.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Attacking someone who's attacking other people is usually called defending.

Same thing said by cops every time they shoot someone.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 week ago

that's why propaganda is a key cog in ruling the working class. they play with words in such a way that there is always an argument