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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 153 points 1 week ago (6 children)

During the Great Depression, people were so angry at banks that they rooted for bank robbers. Things are so bad now that we're just straight up rooting for cold-blooded executions. Censoring people's online activities won't make this anger go away. The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don't want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.

[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Billionaires deserve to live in fear.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Billionaires should not exist. Tax them out of existence. If they don’t exist, they won’t be vigilante targets.

[–] mokus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago

It shouldn’t just be a cap either. Net worth topping $1B should just be a reset button. Automatic bankruptcy. It should be something to actively fear and avoid, not just a score to max out.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Being poor is a fate worse then death for a billionaire.

[–] in4aPenny@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

All the more reason to make them poor.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah, billionaires! We’re just trying to help you!

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No they don't.

Deserve to live I mean.

I will not elaborate further.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

"In fear" are the key words here.

If I stole hundreds of dollars from people in my town and my name was public information, I'd be scared shitless.

Billionaires steal millions and not just in dollars. The way I see it, Luigi took out a serial killer, not a businessman.

I would like to remind everyone that while I do wish the worst for billionaires, I do not legally condone violence of any kind. I will however smile if I hear about bad things happening to bad people.

[–] CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Reddit just banned me for saying I support Luigi in his monster slaying quest and hope there’s more heroes out there.

Say, what’s the Lemmy policy on being real? I don’t really care. I’ll say it in person as well as any online platform, and if I’m banned from them all then I’ll just read books and shit.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It depends on the instance. I just left Lemmy.World because of their euro- centric pro-censorship stance of educating people on the existence and explanation of jury nullification.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 week ago

Attention all Luigi supporters!

Lemmy.world's policy is to remove comments and posts that advocate for violence. And imprisonment is a violent act. If you see a post on lemmy.world advocating for Luigi's imprisonment, report it and leave a comment explaining how it advocates for violence.

[–] CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That’s what I’m on since I’m not really too well read on Lemmy yet and it was the most popular. Any suggestions for a good instance that can be readily joined where we have some semblance of freedom of speech? I mean, I’m far from a terribly hateful person but I’m not going to pretend I’m upset when a bad person dies, and I also like discussing internet piracy and such. I just wish for Reddit circa 2008. Heh.

[–] Iconoclast@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I‘m a piracy fan and I‘m on dbzer0 instance as it‘s an offshoot of r/piracy. I barely post and lurk more, so I don‘t really know how they‘d moderate on the Luigi situation. The owner seems to be an anarchist and historically anarchist action wasn‘t all peaceful, most anarchists seem to support a "diversity of tactics" one of which is violence. Which makes sense to me, it’s like self defense cause what Americans are dealing with here is structural violence and what looks like zero hope for change.

[–] CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Violence is very unfortunately the only way the world ever changes substantially. We deify our own nations’ founders as legendary revolutionaries when they used violence as their primary tool. We understand why the French had their revolution. We root for the anti-heroes in films. But then I’m supposed to be silent when I see somebody finally taking action in a meaningful way against some greedy sociopathic pig? I’m supposed to be okay with platforms silencing me and telling me I’m wrong for thinking this way after decades of being beaten down by these types?

Well, I’m not upset that CEO is dead. I like it. I hope somebody guns down another every week. Gives me a rock hard justice boner. And if speaking like this gets me banned from online social media then maybe it’s for the best. Spend way too much time on it anyways. Haha.

We very much support deny, delay depose policy

[–] xorollo@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago

IMO -- you can't go wrong picking something obscure, or something you just llthink sounds cool, or anything for whatever reason. If it doesn't work out, switching isn't a big deal, unless you plan on cultivating a following. I'm ok with nuking my profiles and starting fresh. I chose my instance because I thought the name sounded cool. I haven't been disappointed. I still regularly hear from a bunch of instances .world, .ml, dbzero, or whatever.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Telling people that jury nullification exists isn't a problem, I've done that ad nauseam on .world. The problem is connecting it to calls for violence, as a way of encouraging people to cross that line.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

That's some old bullshit

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

Depends on the instance, I hear LemmyWorld doesn't really like it.

[–] Vanix@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it's a by-server or by-community basis, but I've seen nothing but support for him on here

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are various actors trying to least descalate the support and others who painted him as murder esp starting today.

They are mirroring fake news arguments to split the support. Their play here depends on their ability to do so.

Fever has died down too.

He is already cooked from their perspective but I still don't buy he was in fact the guy who pulled the trigger

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've seen some people try to say he was a Far-Right loon who had a shrine to the messiah himself, Jordan Peterson.

I saw a laughably bad article on MSN that basically said "Won't someone think of the billionaires and ban video games before someone kills again? This guy played Among Us ya know!"

[–] amon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] xorollo@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago

Lol, I had a website I must use to do some adult bullshit today, and it would not work with my normal browser security policies. So I used a completely blank browser with no privacy settings just to do this one thing. I opened up a basic chrome window and was greeted with a bunch of ads. The one at the top was apparently trying to make Husk more relatable to the pheasants.

Elon Musk's Ex-Wife Says He Forgot To Buy Her A Christmas Gift - But When He Realized, He Walked Barefoot In A Snowstorm To Find Flowers

Benzinga

This is how I imagine most people engage with MSN style garbage.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

then I’ll just read books and shit.

That's how I use the toilet!

[–] excral@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don't want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.

I don't expect radical changes. I expect them to make the minimal concessions they believe to be enough to make people just happy enough to not depose more CEOs

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

I actually don't expect CEOs and billionaires to make any concessions. Honestly, this is how I imagine the next few years going:

Right now, billionaires are waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans want them dead. CEOs will start beefing up security while politicians and pundits try to spin this, and they'll all hope this was a one-off. It won't be. Sure, there probably won't be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a five day manhunt, but there will surely be a guy with an AR-15 who takes out billionaire or CEO before getting gunned down himself by cops or private security.

Billionaires will start lobbying for protections from Congress, probably through special treatment from federal law enforcement and a push for gun control. This will only further enrage the public, who have faced mass shootings in schools and churches without any response. On top of that, the Trump administration is gearing up for an era of naked corruption, which is going to make the billionaire class even less popular

All in all, I think we're heading towards a period of political instability and violence. Maybe it will end with public rage being channeled into a series of reforms like FDR managed with the New Deal. Maybe we'll devolve even further into oligarchy and authoritarianism as American society collapses. Either way, I think there will be radical change.

Anyway, that's my theory. Maybe I'm wrong, and this will be a blip, but I don't think so. This feels like a very different, very significant moment.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

That'd still be helpful, last time they gave us "Just enough to put down the pitchforks."

That was the "New Deal"

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like that's ever gonna happen. There are and will always be boot lickers that'll do anything for money.

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's a real shame they all end up in congress too.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

They get put there don't just end in a position of power

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[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

if billionaires don't want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.

OR...they raise premiums to pay for more security.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I mean, I'm sure they will, but I doubt it will make a difference. Trump almost got it twice this summer. He's only alive because he was incredibly lucky the first time, and the second time, the shooter was incompetent. Meanwhile, in the last 25 years, schools have added metal detectors, more police, active shooter drills, and bullet-proof walls, but it's only amounted to security theater. I'm sure there will never be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a 5-day manhunt, but there are too many guns in America to prevent a guy with a death wish from gunning down a CEO or billionaire.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like how banks became institutions dedicated to the public good following the Depression?

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

More like how FDR used the banks' need for government assistance to force regulation on them through the 1933 Banking Act and the Glass-Steagall Act.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Glass-Steagall Act that was repealed and now banks are more out-of-control than ever?

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes. A decade after it was repealed, we had the largest financial collapse since it was enacted, and now we're dealing with higher income inequality than we had during the Gilded Age. What part of this is meant to invalidate my point?

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, proof that reforming capitalism is wasted effort. You can only delay end stage capitalism reforms, not prevent it.