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[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Israel, as an idea to act as a haven after the 2nd world war for European Jewry, is dumb to begin with for a plethora of reasons at the time.

That said there're plenty of states through history that begin under dubious pretenses. Their citizenry doesn't deserve wanton violence nor does its necessarily deserve wholesale dissolution.

Israel does have a right to exist. The Israelis don't have a right to take land forcibly from people and murder women and children.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel does have a right to exist. The Israelis don’t have a right to take land forcibly from people and murder women and children.

But that is how Israel exists. How can it not have the right to do that and then have the right exist simultaneously?

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How can it not have the right to do that

Forcibly take land and murder civilians?

and then have the right exist simultaneously?

One can have a country and be fair and magnanimous with the people who were on the land before.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The country is the apartheid system. It is the problem.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I agree. One of many problems.