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    [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 57 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

    No restart require on Linux is a joke, right? Because I get updates that require restarts as often as I get them on Windows when updating Mint.

    [–] Camille@lemmy.ml 67 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

    Unless you're updating the kernel itself, there is little chance you actually need to reboot your machine. Just restarting whatever service or application you're using should do the trick.

    [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Just following the update manager instructions

    [–] Camille@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 weeks ago

    You do you, it can't hurt to reboot and work on a fresh restart. But if for some reasons you need to keep your machine up, you'll know it is less of a problem than on windows typically

    [–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 weeks ago

    Kde neon made me reboot Everytime it updated. Turns out there was a setting I could disable. Afterwards I was never bugged about rebooting.

    Used discover for updates

    Maybe you have such a setting?

    [–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 12 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    This is the same on Windows, you can just carry on and then complete an update when you go to shut down the machine. Can't remember the last time an app install or update required the whole OS to be restarted immediately.

    [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 weeks ago

    I remember what it's called, but at some point there was an app for windows that would check if your machine actually needed a restart or not. Basically the "restart your machine" prompt is mostly just a boilerplate. It's very rare that those installers touch anything that can't actually be loaded without a restart.

    [–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Except when it force closes your computer when you dismiss the windows update too many times

    [–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

    I tried installing rust which required some Visual Studio compiler on a Windows machine configured to reset itself when rebooted. It decided I needed a reboot. I'm glad I didn't have unsaved files…

    Needless to say I could not run my program on that machine. Why does it need a reboot? I don't know. It's just meant to be a compiler.

    [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    And on some distros you can also just reload the kernel without rebooting

    [–] superkret@feddit.org 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Yeah, but you're going to pay for that.

    [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] superkret@feddit.org 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Yeah, when you use Arch, you may not pay in money, but you are going to pay, lol.

    [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 5 points 4 weeks ago

    That's just a doc, kexec is also available on Fedora, Debian, Centos, etc.

    [–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Been running endeavouros for over a year on two machines. The only time I couldn't boot was when the Nvidia drivers decided not to work with the LTS kernel anymore. So I just started the normal kernel and changed that to the default in my boot manager. This is the only issue I've had with it and it's arch based. I really don't understand the bad reputation.

    Also the arch wiki is applicable to most distros with only slight changes.

    [–] dan@upvote.au 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Even with kernel updates, you can use something like ksplice or kpatch to update it without rebooting. It's usually only used on servers though.

    [–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Besides a kernel update... Which one?

    Honest question, as I usually just restart to be sure I haven't missed to restart a service or something, but theoretically I could restart every program and service, that got updated.

    Maybe Mint is very conservative here...

    [–] fogetaboutit@programming.dev 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Probably driver update, like nvidia?

    [–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Ah yeah, mostly kernel module updates go along with a kernel update. But you are right, yeah.

    Although, should be possible to just reload the module and restart X/Wayland, no?

    [–] fogetaboutit@programming.dev 1 points 4 weeks ago

    Practically speaking, restarting is easier anyway.

    [–] some_random_nick@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Fedora requiers them all the time. Sometimes there is a driver update in there.

    [–] IHateReddit@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

    they're not required, only the update manager thing wants you to. if you update via dnf you don't need to restart 90% of the time

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Afaik mint just says you have to restart but don't forces you. Iirc it was there to avoud any glitches which could be caused by apps interacting with each other in different versions(say some system app got updated and desktop environment is still the old since its loaded before update then cause gui mismatch due to different versions of ui toolkit)

    [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

    I mean, in this case Windows doesn't force you to restart either, you can just keep chugging along with the restart icon at the bottom right... That icon can stay there for weeks on my girlfriend's laptop

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

    But that is update and restart. The update is not at all installed and will only install if you restart. And it takes a lot of time. But here it is already installed and you can actually reopen apps ti get them in the updated state

    [–] GalacticTaterTot@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Yep. Every kernel update. Granted that's less often than Windows requires a reboot.

    [–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    This is a requirement for Immutable Distributions, not that Mint is... But others.

    [–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 weeks ago

    It is often needed on OpenSuse TW.

    [–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

    Yep. I'm on EndeavourOS which is about as far as you can get from Mint without going to like Slackware, LFS, or BSD. Basically every single run of pacman prompts for a reboot. I'm sure I could restart individual services or subsystems instead, but that's not what the OS popup says.