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[–] ElegantBiscuit@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

It’s way, way more than that. Specialization and comparative advantage underpins the entire globalized economy which is the only way to allow us to get more for the same amount of labor. Without it, we simply regress. US farmers grow soybeans so that Chinese manufactures can make the tractors to allow the US farmers to grow the soybeans, and that only works with free trade. And in this scenario there is no one else making a tractor for anywhere near the same cost, and no one else who can grow such a large volume of soybeans, otherwise the trade probably wouldn’t be happening in the first place. And so the alternative is that both countries have to make both independently. And that is more expensive without the efficiencies of economy of scale, more expensive because of lower supply because we don’t have the capacity to produce that many tractors and China can’t grow that many soybeans, and more expensive because of the infrastructure costs being duplicated and spread out over less units.

And so we both end up with less tractors and less food that are more expensive. Now add in petrochemical fertilizers imported from Canada, steel and coal for the metal used in the tractor imported from Australia, all the industries that support them also getting caught into this, and where every one of those companies is tied into their regional, national, and the global economy. And that is just for tractors and soybeans.

We trade for almost everything. And every single item that we trade, we do so because it is cheaper than making it ourselves. Tariffs are an artificial tax on efficiency, and we are literally less prosperous with them in place. Some things are a matter of national security, of not allowing a foreign government leverage over your society, but we’re talking about his genius plan to put tariffs on literally fucking everything - soybeans and tractors, but also clothing, toys, electronics, appliances, vehicles, on and on and on. And a tariff on it will increase the price, because that is just how economics works.

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are chinese tractor companies? I only know US, Italian, French or German tractor companies.

[–] ElegantBiscuit@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

I specifically looked it up just to be sure, John Deere does have multiple factories in China and a good amount of their website wording includes “assembled in USA”, sort of like cars and appliances and a lot of things, usually to get around existing tariffs and import duties. They do also have factories in Germany, Mexico, india, and of course multiple in the USA, but I kept it simple for the sake of the explanation, because China also does produce a lot of soybeans as well.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

we could have a more robust economy where we do make everything and they make everything and nothing needs to be more expensive, if we just let it be less profitable

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And a tariff on it will increase the price, because that is just how economics works.

this is not very scientific.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, but its exactly correct in a short sentence. Science wishes it could be that exact.

Please tell me any way a tax, an additional cost added on to something could lower the price.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

it's not causal

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The cost of getting the goods to consumers goes up. Does the consumer pay:

A) More

B) Less

C) The same

This election was decided by the majority of people in this country not being able to answer this very simple question

Edit: oh shit I didn't even notice it was you lmao I see you're still roleplaying The Person With The Worst Takes

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

why did the cost go up? what other variables are at play?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good guess, but that wasn't one of the options. Does the consumer pay:

A) More

B) Less

C) The same

I promise you, if you think about it for even a moment, this has a very intuitive answer

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry, the correct answer was

A) More

Explanation: when the cost of producing or acquiring a product increases, a business must earn more money to cover the additional expense

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sure thing

If you make it cost more money for a company to provide their good or service, they must charge more for that good or service in order to break even

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You're arguing with a troll mate.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know, I've been interacting with commie off and on since I joined this forum. Usually he's a little more unhinged and fun

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Try poking harder, might work :)

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

calling me names doesn't make what I'm saying any less true

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Won't respond to anything else.

You've perfected the art of talking without saying anything.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

this is posturing and the rhetoric. it is not evidence.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

this isn't proof. it's story telling