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People believed and still believe in a lot of fictional things.
I'm not sure why you think "people believed in it" is an argument for the existence of anything. You're even calling it a myth yourself. You might look up the meaning of that word.
Gender is also a myth. You might as well argue Socrates wasn't a famous man, because maleness is a myth.
No, gender is a social construct, not a myth. That's like saying fashion is a myth.
You're making the most bizarre argument I have ever seen. People believed in Anubis for thousands of years. Please do show me one shred of evidence for the existence of Anubis as a real being.
Really bizarre, yes. But also a waste of time, sorry. Nothing productive will come out of your "discussion" with that person.
Social constructs and myths are the same thing.
I see, and you are claiming that all myths that lots of people have believed are true.
Therefore the myth of the intellectually inferior black race is true.
The myth of the inherently greedy Jew is true.
The myth of women being lesser beings than men is true.
The myth that war makes boys into men is true.
Oh, also the myth that you're born male or female and that's what you stay until you die? Also true based on your claim.
Sure this is what you want to claim?
Drag didn't say it's true. Drag said it's not fictional. Fiction and truth are not a dichotomy. They're not even mutually exclusive. There's plenty of things that are both or neither.
The thesaurus disagrees with you.
You do not decide on how everyone else uses language.
Three examples, with evidence, of each please. Note that your personal opinion is note evidence.
But but but! Drag talks in third person, so what Drag says must be important! ...right?
...right?
Eh, that's weird but I'm cool with it. If they want that to be their pronoun, whatevs. But that doesn't mean they understand the concepts of truth and fiction, since they apparently don't.
Nah they think it's cool, and not realizing, or admitting, that it's annoying and stupid.
Drag doesn't use they/them pronouns. Drag uses drag/dragself pronouns in all grammatical persons.
Everyone uses they/them pronouns. They/them are gender-neutral. That applies to you as much as everyone else on the planet.
I really get that you want to control how others use language. That's not your call.
I am not a moderator in this community, the rules here are not my call.
Also, there is no situation in which they/them is a pejorative. Unlike 'pedant,' which is literally a pejorative.
Are you going to follow me from thread to thread harassing me? Shall I alert the Lemmy administrators?
I'm just replying to you, I saw a relevant post in your replies, so I responded
So then yes, I should alert the Lemmy administrators if you keep following me from thread to thread.
Drag doesn't use "you" pronouns either. Drag uses drag/dragself pronouns in all grammatical persons.
Cool. I'm still calling you 'you' and 'they' because that's how English works.
They are gender-neutral words.
That's the correct answer. This "drag" business has to do with this individuals kink of sex with dragons, as alluded to in their bio. I'm not kink shaming, but it is bad form to force others to participate in your kink without consent, even in a nonsexual context. Honestly, I'm not entirely sure they aren't a troll.
Drag doesn't want to be referred to gender neutrally. Drag wants drag's gender affirmed. It isn't hard. You're going to all this effort to switch between "you", "they", and "them" based on complicated grammatical context rules, when you could just use a single pronoun in all cases. You're going to all this effort to inflect pronouns that drag doesn't want. Drag just wants you to take it easy and use a single pronoun. Why make things hard for yourself just so you can make them hard for drag too?
You may not want gender-neutral terms to apply to you, but they do. That's just a simple fact.
And it isn't hard for me to use a gender-neutral pronoun. It's quite easy.
Let drag rephrase. What exactly do you gain by refusing to refer to a trans person the way that trans person wants to be referred? A hypothetical moral high ground in a semantic disagreement? Is the point just that you want to be right in the argument?
I refer to everyone with "they" and "you" regardless of their gender because they are gender-neutral phrases. They apply to trans people and cis people equally, which is how I treat all people. Equally.
You are not more special than everyone else on the planet whether you want to be or not.
Oh, you think having gendered pronouns is a form of privilege? You want to deny drag the privilege of having identity based pronouns? You perceive the issue as a matter of justice, and you think drag needs to be taken down a peg for having pronouns?
Also, drag thinks you should edit the following comments from within the past hour to better align with your moral principles:
I think you expecting no one to use a non-gendered pronoun with you is a privilege you are not going to be afforded.
This is very simple:
Me: You/They
You: You/They
Elliot Page: You/They
Donald Trump: You/They
Lavene Cox: You/They
All 8 billion plus homo sapiens on this planet: You/They
Regardless of their gender.
You are not special. I get that you want to be special, but you aren't.
Thank you for being honest with drag and confirming drag's hypothesis from drag's last comment. Drag thinks drag understands your motivations for refusing to use drag's pronouns now. And drag is very glad to have helped you in your crusade to end all gendered pronouns by informing you of the gendered pronouns you used in the last hour, so you can edit them and maintain your principles. Drag hopes you're able to maintain this standard you've set for yourself from now on.
Feel free to point out an occasion when I have not used this standard in the past. My comment history is there for all to see. Unless I know someone's gender, I try to use 'they.'
Maybe don't assume you know someone's motivations or that they are trying to attack you next time.