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[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Congrats on making me want to pull my youngest from public school for a year or so, so I can teach her typing, scripting, the command line, etc ... (also, phonics) ... Blows my mind that TYPING as a late-elementary-school glass is basically gone in our school district, nor is it a class that's even available in middle or high-school.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Its definitely not all students and, in reality, I believe every generation has been deskilled to diff degrees. So, while these skills are noticeably worse with Gen z than it is with millennials, many young people I meet come to college with some or all of these skills.

So I think you could go with a less extreme intervention lol

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why do you think "many" come to you with all of these skills? Home-schooling is more common than ever. Most homeschoolers we met were also restricted to older or no tech... Even no tech seems to be better than consumption focused devices.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I really doubt homeschooling has much to do with it. Some subset of every gen is good with tech.

The one homeschool kid Im working with this semester is terrified to use the telephone. Their entire experience in home school education was largely sitting in virtual classrooms

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

Virtual Classrooms were the first thing we tried and realized it wasn't for us. We dropped it within a few weeks. I can't imagine spending any significant amount of time stuck with such a finicky and un-reliable medium.

"Look at it wrong and it breaks" is very apt in that situation; All the while they are "taking attendance", and none of the lessons were available for later viewing. Our kids learned more from going through stacks of worksheets* with our help, reading, and just spending time with us as we went about whatever errands.

*worksheets were over 95% of the Virtual Classroom work anyways. The rest was art and poorly thought-out "expiriments", with the occassional form-letter/one-paragraph-a-week "essay". Not even book reports or recommended reading!

Even no tech seems to be better than consumption focused devices.

It is far preferable to teach old relatives, who have never touched a computer, how to do basic things than it is to try to introduce a better or faster or freer way to those who have already been exposed to the officially ordained Microsoft or Apple way of doing things that should be simple.

[–] RidgeDweller@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree with Chapo. Maybe you can teach these things in addition to what your kid learns at school? Might be a fun way to spend time together anyway.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

That's how we handled it when we home-schooled the older three for a while. They ultimately asked to go back to regular school, but they had stayed ahead of their peers.

[–] bortsampson@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

also, phonics

Giving up on phonics was a horrible idea. I'm not sure whose to blame for that but it clearly was a disaster.