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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It was not genocidal either.

Do you know what decossackization was.

Do you know what the Kazakh famine was.

Do you know what the Holomodor was.

Do you know what the Finnish, Estonian and Polish Operations were.

Do you know what the Khaibakh massacre was.

Do you know what the Deportation of the Crimean Tatars was.

Do you know what the Sumgait pogrom was

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Read Blackshirts and Reds. It's 10 times as hard to debunk anticommunist red scare-era nonsense than it is to firehose falsehoods and half-truths.

As a few examples, all straight from Wikipedia, none of what you listed is accepted as genocide, decreasingly so after the openings of the Soviet Archives. It is extremely easy to randomly look up a western list of soviet repressions, and far harder to actually dig into what happened and if it truly constituted genocide. It's especially telling that you ignore the rest of your nonsense that I debunked in favor of perpetuating your firehose tactics, seemingly not caring if even western historians agree with you.

Do you know what decossackization was.

Several scholars have categorised this as a form of genocide,[6][7][8][9][10] whilst other historians have highly disputed this classification due to the contentious figures which range from "a few thousand to incredible claims of hundreds of thousands".[11][12][13]

Do you know what the Kazakh famine was.

Some historians describe the famine as legally recognizable as a genocide perpetrated by the Soviet state, under the definition outlined by the United Nations; however, some argue otherwise.

Do you know what the Holomodor was.

While scholars are in consensus that the cause of the famine was man-made,[10][11] it remains in dispute whether the Holodomor was directed at Ukrainians and whether it constitutes a genocide, the point of contention being the absence of attested documents explicitly ordering the starvation of any area in the Soviet Union.

Do you know what the Finnish, Estonian and Polish Operations were.

Nothing in the Wikipedia article covers genocide.

And so on. Again, read Blackshirts and Reds. You might learn something. No, the USSR was by no means perfect, but it wasn't the monstrosity you depict it as either.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

yeah I'm not taking homework assignments from someone who thinks I'm trying to ascribe souls to states lol.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

You did, though. The USSR was dissolved by people very different from the original founders, in very different times and very different circumstances. Pretending member-states were in any way "founders" of Socialism is silly, it was people that did that, and different people that dissolved it.