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Drive less? Sure I'll just not go to work and die
TIL I'm dead
Must be nice not needing to work to survive
Cities other than Toronto build bus and rail infrastructure. if i have to drive to the office it is 1.5 hours with traffic, so I prefer the bus, it takes 2 hours due to additional stops, but It also meana I have freedom to read, chat, work on something that I could not do in the car. And the city already has a plan to extend ight rail into our area...so looking foreward to hopping on the train system and then driving or riding will be same time or less
Must be nice having a job that allows you to drive. Unlike me and everyone else I know struggling to get by.
I don't. But I empathize with the people who need to and are also scraping by. Empathy for others, try it
Hey look it's a comment from the parallel universe where trains, trams, buses, bicycles, and legs were never invented. What's it like living in a universe where nobody has legs?
You can take the train dumbass
So you're just assuming everyone lives where trains run?
That's what everyone here is advocating for.. viable (includes mass transit like trains) alternatives to cars for transit. And sensible zoning policies that promote more denser hubs near railway stations.
Making return-to-office mandates illegal would take a bite out of traffic congestion without putting people out of work or requiring any kind of monetary investment. Ford would never do that, however. I expect his friend-circle includes people who own office buildings in Toronto.
Right but you keep bringing up a problem I find with the anti car crowd, they don't consider poor or working class people. Work from home, office mandates? That's upper middle class shit. What do you suggest for a person who works labor. Construction. Different sites every week?
Most anti car people are upper middle class or wealthy kids, raised in cities and have no regard or idea how poor or working class people live, and think we're all in the same situation as a childless, single young person who lives downtown.
I personally cannot strap my kids to my back. Get on a bike, ride them to school and daycare, then travel another 50km in winter on a fucking bicycle. And transit in my city is beyond pathetic, so less cars would first mean expending the transit system and budget and, that'll be when pigs fly unfortunately
Poor people can't drive. You can't drive on minimum wage. You can't have a place to live and drive on less than 50k. Driving is a privilege that many of us just don't have. You act like that's not the case, like we all just fucking shrivel up and die the moment we lose our license. You adapt. Life goes on. It's not the end of the fucking world. Pull your head out of your ass. You're not afraid you can't work, literally millions of people in this province find a way to keep working. you're afraid of a loss to your quality of life. And you don't give a shit that your quality of life comes at the loss of other people's quality of life.
Where I live it's cheaper for me to own a car pay insurance and gas, than it is to pay for 4 monthly transit passes a month for my family
If we get the unnecessary middle-class commuter vehicles off the streets, the drop in congestion will make it easier for those people who do need to drive to do so, and make increasing the road capacity unnecessary. A solution doesn't have to work for everyone to be useful, and yes, I agree that this one is obviously not practical or useful for someone who works construction, or retail, or in a warehouse or a garage or a restaurant or a lab or a factory or any other job that requires you to be on-site.
I'm not anti-car. I own one. I drive. My physical condition and the location I live in pretty much require it. What I'm against is car trips that increase congestion and pollution without serving a practical purpose, and the constant increase in the number of overpriced lanes of asphalt around Toronto when vital transportation infrastructure in the rest of the province is falling apart. There's a road a couple of hours' drive north of here that gets a decent amount of traffic that they're talking about downgrading to gravel because the municipalities that the province dumped it on can't afford to repave it—it would literally cost several times the annual budget of the smaller town to repave their section. The railways are decaying to the point that the speed limits on the lines still in service are lower than 30km/h in some areas. The major east-west highway corridors through the province are riddled with potholes and disintegrating asphalt. And Ford wants to waste money on a Toronto commuter tunnel that we should not need. Diminishing the amount of traffic on the 401 would hopefully get him to move on to the next hare-braned wasteful idea. Eliminating all traffic on the 401 is obviously impractical (and not really necessary to avoid this particular piece of idiocy, since the road is already there).