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Disposable society at the max. They done got the new generation to accept planned obsolescence...
Fuck that, Right To Repair!
And being able to easily side-load apps. Also being able to just use a USB C cable like every other device. ( will not apply to future EU, but will probably remain relevant other places ).
I just really fucking hate apple and thier walled garden bullshit.
Ha, I forgot about USB-C. My niece's iPhone was dead and we had nothing to charge her phone with. We were absolutely surrounded with tech but not a single Lightning cable. Forced incompatibility was having a leopards ate my face moment.
Apple has the longest support of any phone maker by far.
Name one Android phone that gets 5 years of the latest OS, without rooting or installing a third party OS, followed by another couple years of security updates.
The Fairphone. Fairphone 2 was updated from Android 5 through 10 (5 years on the latest version) Fairphone 3 started at 9 and is currently on Android 13, that's five years, and hasn't had it's last update yet.
That's two Android phones with at least 5 years on the latest OS, and Fairphone 2 got patch updates until this year, giving it support and updates from 2014 until 2023
Interesting. It's great that Fairphone is actually living up to their promises!
FairPhone 3 user here. It's true, just updated to Android 13, came with 9.
Additionally: Micro-SD, Dual-SIM, replaceable battery, can be repaired by myself at home, cheap/fair priced replacement parts and ethically sourced ressources.
It. is. possible.
Granted, Fairphone had to entirely do the BSP and entire update themselves because the SoC vendor doesn't support A13.
The real issue here isn't with the OEMs it's the chip set vendors not supporting Android as long.
I don’t get this. Are you saying that iPhones are more disposable? iFixit says iPhones are more repairable than almost all android phones.
The software situation is no contest. My iPhone 6s, released in 2015, is still getting security updates in 2023. It got its last OS update in 2021. Meanwhile, most premium flagship Android phones don’t get security updates for more than 3 years, much less OS updates, and even that’s a recent change.
Not to say iPhones couldn’t be better, but I left Android specifically because of longevity. I wish all phones were as repairable as Fairphone.
Bruh, it takes a specially made and programmed laser to disassemble their epoxied phones these days. Where you been?
Check out the iFixit link in my previous comment. iPhones might suck for repairability, but they’re better than almost every Android phone. Where’s your evidence?
I don't need evidence, I spent over 7 years repairing them. I can reassemble certain Apple devices in my sleep, but you won't catch me dead with one.
Like WTF? They start off in the device setup like 'Please enter your CC number'...?
Adding a CC to your wallet is optional, Android offers similar card storage too so I don’t really see your point. It stays on device fully encrypted anyway.
No, that's not optional on iPhone, you can't even use their app store even for 'free' apps unless you enable their app store with a CC number.
Unless something seriously changed since 2017 when I gave up on Apple...
Didn’t even consider the App Store, I was busy thinking about the wallet. You’re right.
Actually not true. I just set up a device for a friend the other day and absolutely skipped adding any payment info and was able to download apps. Why are you spreading so much misinformation?
I did say 'unless something has changed in recent years'
Back when I was rebuilding and repairing iPhone 5/6 series and iPad 2/3 series this was most certainly true. Couldn't use the app store for anything, not even free apps, without first entering in a CC number.
Made absolutely no sense to me why it was that way, but it was.
So your anecdote is more reliable than the analysis of the biggest repair site on the internet? (Ugh, I hate internet debates sometimes.)
I have never had a problem getting my iPhone fixed. But with 3 years max software support on Android, that’s not only planned obsolescence, it’s guaranteed obsolescence. Disposability is what your original comment was about.
Think you meant to reply one comment up the chain
Did you not look at the link they provided? iFixit is a pretty well respected site and the iPhone 14 and 14pro are both rated more repairable than the most popular Android phones. Looks like Fairphone and a few other niche Android brands are the only ones that have Apple beat.
Depends on the device you get. Guess what?
Out of my 4 fairly new Android devices, not a damn one of them are epoxied together.
Why does epoxy matter for it being “disposable”? No one has a problem getting their iPhone fixed.
You are either a troll or an idiot. Maybe both. I hope I'm wrong though.
You must not know anything about the R2R movement, the Right To Repair. Apple certified techs aren't allowed access to schematics or parts, their entire goal is to sell you a new device.
No need to be rude.
Again, youre wrong. Both Apple and Samsung release repair manuals and provide replacement parts. Literally no one has a problem getting either phone repaired.
I’m all for right to repair, but android phones suck for planned obsolescence so acting like they’re better about this is delusional. Don’t give them a pass.
Apple doesn’t provide parts, they’re providing assemblies. Those are easier to install, but way more expensive.
That’s a good point. If iPhones are more expensive to repair, then many people will dispose of them rather than repair. But I looked this up, completely expecting you to be right, and it looks like android phones like Samsung are often even more expensive to repair. So I’m still not seeing the justification for the original claim that iPhones are more disposable.
Yeah, I didn't do a comparison to Android phones, just DIY repairs like Louis Rossmann provides. He can replace single chips when they're broken, making a repair cost a few cents in parts rather than hundreds of Dollars.
They only claim to do this, in reality people who own repair shops don't think they are doing it in good faith
Are Samsung and Sony providing repair kits in “good faith”? I think they’re all horrible, but no one has a problem getting their phones fixed.
You need a lot more effort. For example, an iPhone repair kit comes with 3 different screwdrivers. One of mine didn't work well, so I have up and paid $10 to someone with a better screwdriver. Do they NEED 3 different screws?
Also see Louis Rossman, since he actually runs a repair shop, he has complaints about apples repair program
I don’t doubt that iPhones are harder to repair than they need to be. What I seriously doubt is that other major phone manufacturers are better about building with repairability and longevity in mind. (Remember, the beginning of this comment thread is claiming iPhones are especially disposable.)
Fairphone exists, it's just not popular