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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Give people power, and they will seek transgression as proof of that power. What's the point of being supreme earthly authority over people if you have to just sit there and follow the rules? Rules are for little people, are you calling me a little person? Watch me prove my status by committing abominations and not getting punished!

This is especially the case when you load up the stakes with anxieties and resentments and jockeying for power with others and cognitive dissonance and all that jazz. Now they don't just want to prove their made-man status, they need to. And that's not even including malignant narcissism in the mix.

And the thing is, there's a whole category of people who are legitimately impressed by this, who see rule-following as a hallmark of losers, and rule-flouting as a hallmark of winners.

See also: trump voters, cart narcs, anti-maskers, karens etc etc.

The priesthood is an absolute magnet for these kinds of people - and also a magnet for people struggling with shame, hoping to overcome it by being all holy-like, for instance, existing pedophiles.

And on top of that, corrupt power structures like this very often have a culture of mutually-assured destruction: people end up required to do something horribly incriminating themselves so they can't blow the whistle on others - and once they start down that road, the justifications start piling up. See also David Cameron and the pig, and police in general.

Layer on a teaching that the reputation of the organisation must be protected even at the cost of people's own children, and yeah, perfect storm.

No way in hell has this only been happening for the last few decades; it's only in that timeframe that the church's power has diminished enough for word to get out.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Interesting theory, but can you back it up with any credible evidence? Because amongst priests, approx 4% appears to commit child abuse. This compares to 5-7% for public school teachers for example (source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/do-the-right-thing/201808/separating-facts-about-clergy-abuse-fiction). It seems the priesthood doesn't really attract more pedophiles than other jobs do (surveys suggest approx. 5% of the population is a pedophile).

Perhaps their offense rate is higher given the opportunities they have, but I can't quickly find good statistics on that.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

The issue is the coverups and deliberate efforts of the organisation to protect the people doing it and keep them in business.

5% of the general populace with the tendency isn't nearly the same kind of problem as 5% of a group that has extended access to children, the power to blackmail both the victims and the parents, and the knowledge that they'll get safely moved on to pastures greener if their stomping ground starts getting risky.

Weird guy on the corner is a risk.

Person you're forced to spend entire days with unsupervised, and who claims the ability to have your entire family tortured forever if there's any trouble, and has an entire global organisation watching his back, rather a lot more of one.

[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago

How about scout leaders, church youth group leaders, etc.?

There's a possible self-selection.