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[–] NinjaBluesman@discuss.online 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

This is a summary of Project 2025

Reminds me how this guy got started.

Some may argue that the President in the Civil War (2024) movie is Trump. In the movie, he is on his third term and bombed many US civilians.

This is a break down of the movie.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know if Civil War is meant to have a clear real-world corollary for the conflict. In the movie Texas and California are aligned against the president and Florida and most of the NW states (including Idaho and Ohio) are breakaway factions that seem aligned against the federal forces as well (the implication that Idaho and Ohio are in the communist state alliance is pretty fucking laughable)

All that to say: i'm pretty sure the producers intentionally avoided real-life groups to keep the movie focused on the topic of journalism and to avoid it being used in exactly this type of political fearmongering.

Edit: also this bit in that article you linked, which seems to allude to the president possibly starting out as a liberal and becoming fascist, which is chef's kiss

Perhaps just as controversial as the decisions of which states seceded in "Civil War" are the choices as to which states stayed. Notably, the whole Northeast, including the protagonists' main residence of New York, has stayed loyal to the fascist government, a plot point certain to raise questions about what happened to the former liberal stronghold. In an interview with The Atlantic, Alex Garland offered up the possibility that changes in political alignments occurred as a result of the President's own politics changing between his first term and his third: "He may be a fascist at the point we meet him, but he presumably in his first term didn't say [that] ..."

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don’t know if Civil War is meant to have a clear real-world corollary for the conflict. In the movie Texas and California are aligned against the president and Florida and most of the NW states (including Idaho and Ohio) are breakaway factions that seem aligned against the federal forces as well (the implication that Idaho and Ohio are in the communist state alliance is pretty fucking laughable)

i almost didn't watch the movie because all the reviews i read were stuck on this one point but ...

... i’m pretty sure the producers intentionally avoided real-life groups to keep the movie focused on the topic of journalism and to avoid it being used in exactly this type of political fearmongering.

it was clear to me that this was true during the paramilitary soldier hostage scene; that was the closest the film ever got to contemporary political alignment and even then it was vague enough not to point fingers.

i'm so glad the movie i intended to see was sold out and i ended up watching civil war instead because it's one of those movies that sticks with you and i've haven't felt that way about a movie in a long time.

kirsten dunst was the reason why i went with this movie over the other options i had at that moment and i suspected that the movie would be at least decent from the start since i've liked every movie she's ever been in; i would have seen this movie on opening day were it not for all the reviews i mentioned earlier.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

Yup, I think a lot of people avoided the movie because there's an obvious proximity to current events that's just too stressful for casual viewing, but I think they did a pretty tasteful/artistic job making the politics of the narrative vague and even a little subversive. It ends up keeping you focused on the details because you're looking for those clues, but ends up putting you in the shoes of the journalists, trying to piece together a political narrative that you can't quite see in the moment while you're being bombarded with the horrors of war and armed conflict. I love that part of the movie, because it presents that tension of what they're there to do as journalists - taking pictures to catalogue a larger narrative as the soldiers they're following lay dying in the fog of war and unable to clearly see the bigger outlines. The viewer ends up feeling a little resentful of the journalists, because they seem a bit uncaring about the horrors they're witnessing in service of getting the chance of capturing history.

That's also why I got a little worked up seeing it mentioned in this thread..... op was doing the thing the movie was clearly going out of its way to prevent. Idk. The movie is great and I hate seeing it used as an inflammatory political statement.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I gotta say as a Californian, as much as we bag on Texas if our two states ever teamed up we would steamroll the rest of the nation.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I gotta say as a Californian, as much as we bag on Texas ...

that interests me greatly.

when i moved from san francisco to austin i was surprised by how many "don't california my texas" bumper stickers and flags shown everywhere. at first i attributed it to having to switch to driving for my commute and i thought it was odd that i had never sensed a such a reciprocated sentiment expressed while lived in all of california; much less be so ubiquitous every you go.

yours is the first i've ever heard.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Most of our bagging on Texas is talking about how cute it is they think they're in the same league as us, economically.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

it's still strange to hear (read) a californian say it since it always felt like a uniquely texan obsession comparing themselves to california and i felt it was lofty at best (and collective short-guy syndrome at worst) since california has around 33% to 50% more of everything than texas except land area.

because of that:

california + texas can steamroll the rest of the nation

california + new york can steamroll the rest of the nation

california + florida can steamroll the rest of the nation

no combination of the others can do the same, except maybe all three; meaning that california is an outlier so comparisons to it are mostly self defeating and comparisons to new york or florida seemed non-existent when i lived in texas.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

I clicked on your "this guy" link and I got an ad...

...of Obama asking for campaign donations.

I know it wasn't your intent but the irony of that ad playing in that context was just too good.