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There's also secureblue 🤣
My quick play w them: fedora(company) atomic distros like silver blue(gnome) vanilla way. Ublue(some independent developers) making their own versions/spins of fedora, eg bluefin, aurora, bazzite. Focused on a better experience.
Secureblue(some independent developers), also making their own versions/spins of fedora but focused on privacy/security.
None of them could see my network printer so I went back to normal fedora.
Immutable distros way bigger learning curve.
What kind of printer? What's the name of the package that got it working? We can add printer drivers pretty easily.
Hi Jorge, Thanks so much for reply. Love your energy on your project and YouTube videos. My printer is brother MFC-L2750DW. Sorry I'm "experienced" linux mint xfce user, and wanted to give fedora gnome a go for Wayland, selinux enforcing and zram for security privacy yada yada. When I came across your project, you and your team done such an awesome job. So I guess if I can get the printer up and working I'll go back to bluefin. Thanks again for TLC. ❤️
That's weird. I have the same exact printer and it works fine in both Aurora and Bluefin. Autodetected and everything, even scanning works out of the box.
Secureblue ships Chromium, is lead by a single person and does not care about privacy "if it leads to worse security" (i.e. preinstalling Chromium and removing Firefox, even though there is no evidence that Chromium is more secure, it may likely be less secure)
Thanks for info 👍
Ultimately, (some) decisions are made by a single person. However, the list of maintainers suggests that contributions are welcome.
~~> even though there is no evidence that Chromium is not even less secure)~~
~~The double negation makes it hard to understand; but if I would give it a try, then I would get the following:~~
~~"even though there is evidence that Chromium is even less secure)"~~
~~If the above represents your views, could you provide said evidence?~~
What's your take on Madaidan's (i.e. security researcher on projects like Kicksecure and Whonix) article on the matter? I'm aware that it's a bit outdated. However, would you be able to confidently claim that nothing found within is relevant today?
That's not how double negatives work. The alternative would be:
This. Fixed it up
I think you're right. Thank you!
The article is very outdated and possibly not complete. ChromeOS uses Linux so you can assume it is very secure there.
I miss a debunk on the exact points by firefox devs.
But people everywhere told me madaidans article is not correct. Torbrowser also still doesnt use Chromium for various reasons. And that is the most security critical browser there is.
Source to back this up?
Wut? I didn't get this. Could you elaborate?
Does such a debunk even exist? Or do you hope it will be made at some point? Furthermore, do you imply that it deserves a debunk; hence its content is false? If so, based on what?
Have they offered you a similarly well-backed and sourced refutation/article? Or did you simply dismiss Madaidan's cited claims without anything to back it up? Do you think this is an academic/logical/sensible approach just because some randos said it's incorrect?
Tor Browser's commitment to Firefox is probably more related to sunk cost fallacy, FOSS and trust than it's to Firefox' merits on security.
Please just duckduckgo these questions.
The article is from an old date and got no updates, security is a moving target so it is outdated.
a debunk is not existent, thats why I miss it.
I requested such an article of Mozilla devs long ago. There is a damn bugzilla thread, which helps a bit, but it needs developer documentation or something.
Torbrowser needs to be secure. If the browser source cannot be trusted, or if Mozilla can be trusted more, then it makes sense to use it.
I agree that it's not very up to date. Heck, I even said as such with "I’m aware that it’s a bit outdated. However, would you be able to confidently claim that nothing found within is relevant today?" (Yes, I'm @poki@discuss.online). That's exactly why the bold parts were included. However, instead of answering my question, you just called it outdated to dismiss all of its claims. But, that's not how it works, you should -instead- state if it's relevant or not. I.e. is everything mentioned within solved? Or are some issues still standing?
Btw, if you go about duckduckgoing stuff, I actually do. However, apart from CHEF-KOCH, I couldn't find anything on this matter. Furthermore, I couldn't find anything on CHEF-KOCH's credentials. So, why should I favor their opinion over Madaidan's (that at least works on Kicksecure and Whonix)?
Clear. Thank you for explaining!
Thank you for your effort! I tried finding the bugzilla thread but failed. Would you mind helping out?
Fair. Someone who's actually security sensitive would run it within a disposable qube anyways. And, in that case, security would have already been solved. So, Tor Browser can focus on privacy.
No, not what I said. As said, there was no debunk and there were pretty hefty claims with a lot of backing facts.
These are old but I read a ton of Mozilla bugs, and even reported some security relevant ones.
So I know that even security relevant things may just get ignored or postponed.
Yeah same here. I was contributing a bit to secureblue when it was just starting, and qoijjj found the Chromium policies on some raaandom strange website for Windows Chrome group policies? It is crazy, these things are just not documented.
This CHEF-KOCH dude, I also dont know what to think.
Not being discoverable is nice, I recently decided to use a consistent username, as I kinda stopped being a noob all the time. It improves trust somehow.
Mozilla and TBB people have threads.
Thank you for your efforts! Thank you for the links! And thank you for being open and genuine! Hopefully Mozilla Firefox will ever improve until even its toughest opponents can't ignore it. I wish ya a great day!
You too!
Consider deleting this one if you will ;) .
Thanks, had a network error and jerboa said it failed to comment
Classic
It is quite opinionated though.
There was a post about that exact issue not that long ago, basically, you have to do some networking trickery to get some printers to work.
I agree that there's a big learning curve, though it's a nice option if everything you need can be found as a flatpak or appimage.