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[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's not just an init system. Look up what it does and why it exists, instead of blindly hating some software for some obsessive reason.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Systemd is also horrible project because it has sd-dbus - a dbus implementation, that requires systemd. And some projects(like Anbox) when migrating from abstraction layer to direct use of dbus accidentally choosen sd-dbus instead of dbus. And devs genuenly belive that sd-dbus is not systemd-specific.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm pissed off because he didn't limit it to just being an init and made it into a much bigger mess

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 days ago

What are you talking about, it is just an init and service manager...

The rest of systemd is an ecosystem that are optional packages you can install on top of it. They are not essential or required.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not blindly hating. I despise the asshole responsible for the choice being taken away from me for many major distros and I wish him the plague for his manipulative approach in getting there.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The choice of making way more things than just the job of an init system harder than it has to be, especially when both flavors have to work. Feel free to call generous people who work for the community "assholes", but it's you who's that, if anyone

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People who lobby with decision makers at major distributions for their software to be made the de-facto standard, instead of leaving it to the userbase, have a deeply anti-democratic mindset, and that makes them assholes.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And what concerns did/do you exactly have? Did you as a "democratic" user make yourself loud instead of crying about "corruption" on lemmy?

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I didn't know much about Linux when Systemd was adopted by Debian. And how would I make myself loud enough for people to notice? I still don't have the technical knowledge to completely grasp the operating reasons why people chose it, all I know is that systemd was meant to be an init system, and now it is no longer just an init system. It's in things it shouldn't be in. I'm sure people worked hard on it but one program edging out general alternatives shouldn't have been the way of development

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You don't know the details of why it was chosen, yet you complain about people with obviously more knowledge on these topics having chosen it… reminds me of science deniers.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All I'm saying is that it shouldn't have gone beyond being an init system. Is it so hard to understand that one might want one application to do one thing and do it well?

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And what knowledge makes that opinion have any factual value?

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your opinion is that systemd is objectively better being more than an init system?

I prefer my software to work as single units which can communicate using standard, agnostic technologies to one another, not be a gigantic binary blob which is too hard for even some of the most brilliant people in the community to understand

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago

It's not even a single binary blob. Shows your competence around this topic. Feel free to continue rambling and whatever without knowing anything about it.