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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

When is it appropriate for climate protests to turn into climate violence? When is it appropriate for a victim to fight back? Or must we allow billionaires and conservatives to kill us all?

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

to answer your questions:

  1. now
  2. now
  3. no
[–] loom_in_essence@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These protests have no connection to the issue. I honestly think many of them are paid by oil companies to make the environmental movement look bad.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Very interesting! I hadn't thought of that.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Stopping personal traffic by blocking cars and being "annoying" in places that often are lit for no reason through entire nights are both protests very close to the issue.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doesn't matter if it's appropriate. It's not actually feasible right now.

[–] VitoScaletta@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When will it get feasible? Things will just keep getting worse and by the time people decide to fight back it will be too late

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

Answered your own question.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it’s feasible anytime anyone does it.

Probably achieve a bit of a copy cat effect as well.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

Sure it is. Go get em, tiger.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's more than feasible. It's happened, even made a gosh dang documentary about it.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds more like he never actually accomplished anything except some prison time

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He didn't do a great job of staying under the radar.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't incite a revolution (lol) by staying under the radar.

Like I said, it's not feasible. It's a pipe dream. Grow up and start doing the hard, boring, effective work.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Can’t incite a revolution

I think the idea is just to make it more expensive for them to continue, make it a little bit harder, thus making the less extreme options seem more appealing.

The hard, boring, effective work is thankfully already being done just by virtue of alternative energies being irresistibly profitable. The other stuff is just to encourage it to happen a little quicker.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The hard, boring, effective work is thankfully already being done

...no, it's not. Not enough of it.

Stop being performative and go volunteer to coordinate a voter drive.

[–] loom_in_essence@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

make it more expensive for them to continue,

This requires choosing better targets for the protests.

People in this thread are arguing that any kind of violence or inconvenience automatically helps the cause. But no. We're just inconveniencing each other and distracting each other from... environmental issues.

The only reason to take part in protests that don't target polluters is to look cool for your friends.