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[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We should use them to replace workers, letting everyone work less and have more time to do what they want.

We shouldn't let corporations use them to replace workers, because workers won't see any of the benefits.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

that won't happen. technological advancement doesn't allow you to work less, it allowa you to work less for the same output. so you work the same hours but the expected output changes, and your productivity goes up while your wages stay the same.

[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago

technological advancement doesn’t allow you to work less,

It literally has (When forced by unions). How do you think we got the 40-hr workweek?

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago
[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

In response to better technology that reduced the need for work hours.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

no, in response to human beings needing rest. the need for work hours was drastically reduced since, but nothing changed. corporations don't care, they just want you to work until you die, no matter how much you contribute none of them is gonna say "you know what, that's enough, maybe you should work less". wage theft keeps getting worse.

[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Yes, but that's not because technology doesn't reduce the need for working hours, which is what I argued against.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

no? no one argued tech doesn't reduce the need for working hours. read it again.

[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

That wasn't technology. It was the literal spilling of blood of workers and organizers fighting and dying for those rights.

[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

And you think they just did it because?

They obviously thought they deserved it, because... technology reduced the need for work hours, perhaps?

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

no, they deserve it regardless.

[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Which has nothing to do with whether technology reduces the need for working hours, which is what I was arguing.

[-] nomous@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

How do you think we got the 40hr work week?

[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

Unions fought for it after seeing the obvious effects of better technology reducing the need for work hours.

[-] nomous@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Stop after your first 4 words and you'd be correct but all your other words are just your imagination and you trying to rationalize what you've already said.

[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Obviously I'm trying to rationalize what I already said, that's how an argument works.

I am arguing that better technology reduces the need for working hours.

That's it.

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