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Do any of them know what the word "liberal" actually means?

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[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

For a more succinct answer:

It's obviously tongue-in-cheek, but it gets the point across lol

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A liberal believes capitalism is broken and needs to be fixed.

A socialist believes capitalism is working as intended and needs to be destroyed.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

What's someone who believes capitalism is broken and needs to be destroyed?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago
[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago

Nah anarchists also fall within the "capitalism is working as intended and must be destroyed" camp. They just have different ways of doing it.

[–] mhague@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Someone who doesn't have conspiracy-brain. The people that say capitalism is working as intended seem to live by the inverse razor of "never attribute to collective stupidity of the implementors what can be attributed to deliberate malice by illuminati-like mechanisms."

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

"Deliberate malice," "rational self-interest [of the owner class]" — tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to.

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

But capitalism doesn't explain itself in terms of "the owning class" screwing everything up out of self-interest. Capitalism will talk about positively channeling people's self-interest. The intent is to construct a system that benefits people the most.

It's objectively not working as intended unless you think there's like... a hidden conspiracy behind capitalism where the elites carefully inculcated an economic theory over generations in order to normalize a system that would end up solidifying their status for hundreds of years to come.

It's not working as intended, and it won't work as intended, therefore we shouldn't try to fix it.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Leftism is just secular religion.

[–] Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one 19 points 5 months ago

Liberals are, to quote Phil Ochs: "ten degrees to the left of center in the good times, ten degrees to the right of center when it affects them personally"