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submitted 1 month ago by _number8_@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

america is so fucking based man

in any proper country that company at least gets forced to pay by the government then ordered to shut down forever due to wanton cruelty. all the employees get generous severance except whoever made that call. depending upon your view of carceral punishment there are a few ways to go with that guy.

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[-] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

You mean the part where we make sure medicine is actually medicine.

[-] Esqplorer@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

Yeah, don't assume they were saying that's unnecessary, just that it is expensive.

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean the part where we make sure the medicine that can potentially save your otherwise doomed life doesn't give you a mild rash.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Historically, large-scale withdrawals of drugs from markets ONLY occur, and large-scale marketing ONLY is barred when the side effects are deemed dangerous enough to not risk at any significant percentage. If you look through the list of withdrawn drugs throughout the world, almost all of them are withdrawn for either abuse reasons, or significant side effects like organ toxicity, serious risk of overdose even inside prescriber control, carcinogenicity, or neurological reactions (like some fungicides/bactericides causing blindness/deafness even when used properly).

SOME of these have been returned to market (like thalidomide) under very strict guidelines, used for very strict reasons (thalidomide is used for leprosy and multiple myeloma treatment now in certain situations, in combination with certain drugs to help reduce teratogenicity). Others, which were formerly seen as helpful, have been removed from markets because of newly-found dangers involving them (like Zantac, which was found to spontaneously break down into a carcinogenic compound).

[-] Liz@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

Zantac? No shit? Well I'm sure glad all those zantac commercials I used to see didn't work on me!

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

This is not about the cost of withdrawing or barring drugs as much as it is about the cost of running all these tests and trials. And yes, drugs can potentially have terrible side effects, but not being able to afford the drug can also have terrible results.

If the FDA requirements were much less strict, the drug company would have had to spend much less on R&D. That, of course, would not be enough to lower the price - but the other effect of cheaper R&D is that it's easier for other companies to compete, and competition does drive prices down. The the point either the mother could either afford it herself, or the insurance wouldn't be so stingy about paying it.

Now, of course, less strict requirements also mean we know less about the drug's safety and efficiency. Let's say that, because of the lack of knowledge, we assign a 50% probability for the drug to kill the patient and even if it doesn't we only assign 50% probability for it to work (that does not mean it killed half the test subjects and failed for half of the remaining ones - just that we didn't test enough to get significant results that say otherwise, and these are the worst case estimates under our lack of data). That means, that there is only 25% chance for each one of these twin babies to survive if they take the drug.

Which is better than the 0% they get now, being unable to afford it.

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