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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 42 points 4 months ago (5 children)

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024119

Party Ayes Noes Present Not Voting
Republican 126 88 0 4
Democratic 147 59 0 7
TOTAL 273 147 0 11
[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That's why I say that 2 parties is almost the same as 1 party

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

FPTP voting is keeping us from having a functioning and free country.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, but there are countries with ranked choice voting that still ultimately come down to "red neoliberals vs blue neoliberals". They've built a machine that is extremely difficult to stop.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You need more candidates and a simpler applying process first. 2 tour election won't help in the current situation

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Simply having something sane like score voting would make third party candidates viable and would increase the people attempting to run even with a difficult application process. We can then work on making it easier to apply.

It's literally just replace FPTP with score (or even ranked choice) and things would improve from there even without other changes to the election system.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Tbh I don't understand any difference between FPTP and other kinds of voting. As I understood, the only difference is the absence of 2nd tour in the first one (you get the most votes - you win)

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Power Duopoly: not quite as bad as a Power Monopoly - a.k.a. Dictatorship - but not really the same as Democracy.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Yes that's what I meant

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 4 months ago

In this topic. Can't extend this vote to cover others.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

~~70% of Republicans (some small government, eh?) and 40% of Democrats voted yes.~~

All my math is wrong. See below for correct numbers.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
Republican: 126 / (126 + 88 + 0 + 4) = 58%
Democrat:   147 / (147 + 59 + 0 + 7) = 69%
[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Sixty nine, dude!

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What math are you doing? I got 69% aye from the Democrats and 58% aye from the Republicans.

Republican: (126 ÷ (126 + 88 + 4)) * 100 = 57.80% Democratic: (147 ÷ (147 + 59 + 7)) * 100 = 69.01%

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

88 is 69.84% of 126... Oh, I see my mistake. Haha. Thanks for the correction. I calculated what percentage of yes the noes are, instead of what percentage of total voters voted yes. I'm hella dumb! In my defense, I was still drinking my morning coffee, and nobody should ever listen to anything I have to say that requires rational thought before I have two cups of coffee.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And yet people say conservatives won't vote to stop surveillance. I think we need to stop thinking about political lines. The drama with Trump definitely opened some eyes.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But they didn't vote to stop surveillance? It was not stopped. They are the majority and they did not stop it.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

True but its better than the complete bipartisan support it used to have

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

These are like Lauren Bobo, Gaetz, and Green. This is unfortunately not a principled stance but instead because their cult leader told them to "KILL FISA!" IDK if better is the word. It is certainly a broken clock that was correct about that particular time of day.

[–] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You aren't supposed to recognize when some politicians do something right. Just scream about the orange man constantly.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago

I think you mean orange devil