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[–] Pieresqi@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Ah yes, "communism". Op show me 1 country with communism. Dictatorship with 'communism' in their name don't count.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago

I can name several countries that tried to do a communism, and wound up being what communists insist doesn't count.

[–] Sami_Uso@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait are you telling me the Democratic Republic of North Korea is neither Democratic or a Republic?? Like they'd just lie?

[–] jcg@halubilo.social 0 points 11 months ago

You can't do that???

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Communism IS a dictatorship. There's no other way.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I thought that dictatorship masked themself as Communism

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Communism, especially Marxist-Leninism, seems to require some sort of benevolent dictator who is willing to work towards destroying their own power, which obviously never seems to happen. ML theories state the need for a Vanguard state, which is a dictatorship that is supposed to be there to simply enforce the rule of the working class until a time when it is no longer needed.

So the idea of dictatorship is built into the major form of communism that has been tried, basically. One of the main problems with this is that the steps a nation has to take before it gets to "true communism" in ML theory are ripe for abuse, and hard to get through without someone corrupt seizing power.

I think there are some good theories in Marx writings, it's just the methods for attempting to implement it definitely need to be reexamined because they don't work.

[–] Murais@lemmy.one 0 points 11 months ago

This is where I tend to disagree with Marx as well.

Capital is a fantastic book full of scathing and prophetic analyses of capitalism and its innate degradation of value and connection.

The Communist Manifesto is a book with some good ideas but some implementation that I find flawed. And that's not a knock on Marx-- critiquing problems is a significantly easier prospect than offering solutions.

But a lot of Marx's proposals for the implementation of Communism are rooted in authoritarianism, even if their end goal is the dissolution of the state and capital. Also, for an ideology versed in the formation and interdependence of worker communities, the Day of the Rope is kind of antithetical to establishing solidarity and mostly serves, I believe, as masturbatory schadenfreude.

But hey, I'm willing to fix some of the stuff that doesn't work instead of throwing more fuel into the machine that over-harvests people and our planet to the point of destruction.

I really like this nuanced take, btw. Thanks for posting it.