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Firefox saw an increase in users (~50% in Germany and ~30% in France) following Apple’s default browser changes in the EU, as did Brave. (www.theverge.com)

submitted 5 months ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Firefox spokesperson Christopher Hilton tells The Verge that the browser has seen a more than 50 percent jump in users in Germany and a nearly 30 percent increase in France.

Brave saw a similar increase in users after Apple started letting users choose their default browsers on iOS 17.4 in the EU last week.

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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Could someone add an image of this setup screen?

I dont get why Apple would actively advertise other browsers.

Android is completely open and people still use Chrome, as its the default and nothing advertizes Firefox (Mull) or others like Cromite, Brave, Vivaldi etc.

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

From the Brave PR account:

Also I believe it was legally required by the EU. List is randomized.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 5 points 5 months ago

Fucking onion browser??? Damn

[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Chrome isn't necessarily the default. Samsung Browser is a thing

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Samsung browser is just chrome in a jacket.

The biggest threat to an free and open internet is chrome. Chromium the base of chrome is open source and used by many other browsers as the engine (and most of the features). Everything else is clothing. Chrome, edge, brave, Vivaldi etc are all chrome in a mask.

Since chromium is developed and controlled by Google they have defacto control over how these browsers work, operate and display web content. This gives Google massive leverage in control how the web and it's standards develop.

There is only two other web browser. Firefox and safari. These are the only other operations cable of building and maintaing a modern web browser currently. Chrome took apples safari open source core WebKit to build chrome. They then forked it. Because Google chrome is so powerful, apple will need to follow to keep inline with Google. Google also pays them billions every year. Likewise Firefox is funded by Google through default search.

Google is trying to control the web. Use Firefox.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 5 months ago

Lol right, people use whatever they get fed. I cant believe how people use phones as products, what came with it MUST be perfect

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At least for Android, you can pick your default browser from a selection in the installation when you first setup your phone. So no, Chrome is not necessarily the default on Android.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What? I never saw such a selection on setup, and I set up some Nokia Android, LineageOS, GrapheneOS and Google Pixel OS

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's a recent eu (or eea) thing: https://www.android.com/choicescreen/dma/

Edit: that article seems to suggest that it's only just now a thing, but it has been here a few years already, from 2019: https://blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/presenting-search-app-and-browser-options-android-users-europe/:

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Never saw this, maybe it doesnt show when the phone is reset?

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No clue. Since google only wants to give this choice to users from the eea, there is going to have to be some country verification done. The 2019 blog post spoke about presenting the choice to users after an update.

Maybe the change since March 2024 is that that choice will be given during initial setup instead of later. But that change will likely take some more time to be implemented into updates from device manufacturers, I don't know how fast android updates follow these days.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

I always buy used (by people too lazy or with weird believes that dont want to repair or use old phoned). I really suppose they dont show this on factory reset.

[–] LemmyRefugee@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I can’t add it as I already used it. There was a list of browsers and Safari was the last one.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 5 months ago

Crazy, this is crazy. And extremely good!

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

The list is randomised. Sometimes Safari is first, last, middle.

[–] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's wrong, android actually advertises to switch the standard browser and search engine. But tbh only recently.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe on setup but not on factory reset it seems.

I have ever only gotten factory reset phones... and one that was in arab but I could find the settings by comparing menus to grapheneos, pixel os is luckily close to AOSP

[–] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

Nope, I got it just as an update on one phone; no resetting or fresh setup necessary.