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[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Or you know, you could just listen to someone who was in an internment camp:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

(Also your summary sounds like ChatGPT)

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Or the fact we literally have drone and camera footage of mass arrests. I'm not one to view Vice these days, but one of their reporters went there and saw some rather suggestive situations as well.

After Trump was so nice (dumb) enough to showcase just how clear US satellite photos are these days, one has to question why some here are so quick to cry in China's defense. Especially after the very public take over of Hong Kong, you think an ethnic cleanse is out of the question?

I'm sure some pro-Chinese twit will come rushing in with some whataboutism or a crack on US history, as if that excuses things.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml -3 points 11 months ago

Especially after the very public take over of Hong Kong, you think an ethnic cleanse is out of the question?

After China followed the diplomatic agreement it had with Britain for decades to handle the transition from Hong Kong being a British colony back to it being under the jurisdiction of its own nation (as a Special Autonomous Region exempted, like other such regions, from a great portion of federal law), now that means China will do ethnic cleansing? Most of Hong Kong supports the mainland, but that falls very much along class lines. The protestors you saw on western news 24/7 for a while were mostly members of wealthier families who don't represent the majority.

I have mixed feelings about the protest itself in that I think back when it was more fragmented there were surely meaningful segments that weren't concerned about an extremely normal (but now withdrawn anyway) extradition law, but once it became the Five Demands and begging for their white colonizers to return, the highest credit I can give them is that they still were at least dignified enough to turn away Azov fascists who visited them.

[–] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also your summary sounds like ChatGPT

Nah they have a typo ("anit-China") in their summary I think they're fine.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Our you could just listen to someone from Kuwait who saw Iraqi invaders remove babies from incubators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Oh wait, they made that shit up as a pretext for furthering US foreign interests.

[–] Rakn@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean the nice thing about the internet is that you can at least find videos documenting what the article claims. I mean sure… it could all just be propaganda. But somehow there is a little much of it from so many different sources.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You say this and yet, what videos? How many have you actually watched vs assumed were there vs read the headline? I've seen a bunch of photos and videos and all of them were either hoaxes (calling normal buildings camps), ridiculous misunderstandings (like saying the screeching of brakes was screaming victims), or gross misrepresentations (e.g. normal prison transfers being a slate of new genocide victims). But if you just skim through what just so happens to trend on Reddit, you'll see atrocity after atrocity and not stick around long enough to see the retraction, or the people in the comments debunking it, and so on.

There's a reason neoliberal outlets walked their claims back to "cultural genocide" over time, because there was nothing there except the testimony of like three people from a region of 15 million.

[–] Rakn@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean I’ve seen a few recordings of Chinese officials calling folks abroad and making „suggestions“. That was more than just reading headlines.

But I guess you are right. It’s likely all propaganda and China is a paradise.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Rakn@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think that’s important, given that it’s all just propaganda anyways.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Your position doesn't make sense. We know that testimony on atrocity propaganda is sometimes a complete fabrication:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

So that is one of the things worth considering, but that hypothesis isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card and needs to be weighed against other factors like the variety of sources and people involved, their history and material interests, etc.

Yes, I am saying things need to be scrutinized instead of just taken at face value if they comport with our prejudices, I apologize if that takes the wind out of your sails, but blind faith won't lead you to good conclusions.

[–] fishtacos@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

It was a neutral way to summarize a long article.