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[–] jobby@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It was late. I was tired. The guy was executed. Slow or fast, he was killed for being a political opponent, and likely tortured in the process.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay good, you read the title, now try reading the article.

[–] jobby@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I did. It may have ultimately been a blood clot, but that was almost certainly the result of all the abuse he suffered.

Putin is personally responsible for his death.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is genocide Joe responsible for every prison death in America as well?

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Loosely, yes. At least for federal prisons. He has pardon power and can appoint the department heads for the DoJ and FBI.

I'd say Putin bears minimally that much responsibility in this case as well.

Either way, I wouldn't mourn an American nationalist dying in prison, and neither will I for a Russian nationalist.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Putin personally walked into his cell and shot him in the head with the blood clot gun.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What you're doing here is interpreting any evidence as supportive of the conclusion you chose at the beginning. You're making that conclusion unfalsifiable.

If Russia said he died of natural causes, you'd say they're lying. Ukraine says the same thing, well this blood clot must be evidence of torture. Why Ukraine wouldn't jump on that interpretation if it was at all plausible is left unanswered. If he was struck by lightning you'd say Putin used him to test a new superweapon.

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

This situation is interesting and IMO very revealing about Western media.

  1. Russia hates this guy because he's a fascist and collaborates with the West against the ruling order.
  2. Ukraine hates this guy because he's a Russian nationalist and supports the war and annexation of Russian-speaking Ukrainian territories.

So what does Western media do when those interests are at odds? Across the board, they put an enormous effort into supporting him.

What this reveals is that the interests of Ukraine are much less important to the US & its media apparatus than bludgeoning Russia. All the huffing and puffing about lives lost in Ukraine was not because they are mourning the loss of human life, but because it makes Russia look bad. This became a lot more obvious when they refuse to cover a far larger number of Gazan deaths with the same vigor.