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[-] Four_lights77@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Fascinating. I’m truly excited to see how much more efficient in energy consumption these chips will be. I was blown away by the leap forward in battery life M1 was capable of at launch. If we can start to bring those efficiency gains to data centres we can start to crunch numbers on serious problems like climate change.

[-] Thrashy@beehaw.org 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

M1 gets most of its performance-per-watt efficiency by running much farther down the voltage curve than Intel or AMD usually tune their silicon for, and having a really wide core design to take advantage of the extra instruction-level parallelism that can be extracted from the ARM instruction set relative to x86. It's a great design, but the relatively minor gains from M1 to M2 suggest that there's not that much more in terms of optimization available in the architecture, and the x86 manufacturers have been able to close a big chunk of the gap in their own subsequent products by increasing their own IPC with things like extra cache and better branch prediction, while also ramping down power targets to put their competing thin-and-light laptop parts in better parts of the power curve, where they're not hitting diminishing performance returns.

The really dismal truth of the matter is that semiconductor fabrication is reaching a point of maturity in its development, and there aren't any more huge gains to be made in transistor density in silicon. ASML is pouring in Herculean effort to reduce feature sizes at a much lower rate than in years past, and each step forward increases cost and complexity by eyewatering amounts. We're reaching the physical limits of silicon now, and if there's going to be another big, sustained leap forward in performance, efficient, or density, it's probably going to have to come in the form of a new semiconductor material with more advantageous quantum behavior.

[-] dave@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago

Is there anything looking even remotely promising to replace silicon? Manufacturing base aside, what’s the most like candidate so far?

[-] sincle354@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago

Manufacturing is actually the name of the game with chip design. Even if a quantum computing design becomes feasible, the exotic nature of its construction will turn any discovery into a engineering nightmare.

As for the type of technology, here's what a competitor looking for the first blue LED said about the Nobel Prize winners: “It’s like I say to people: they had been working on the steam engine for 100 years, but they never could make one that really worked, until James Watt showed up. It’s the guy who makes it really work who deserves the Nobel Prize. They certainly deserve it.”

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