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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 195 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I must admit, "Linux becomes the refuge of luddites" was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.

[–] ekky@sopuli.xyz 95 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Huh? Isn't this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?

Don't think it's much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

More over being a luddite on Linux is like a fish trying to breathe in a public swimming pool; it works until the chlorine poisoning sets in.
Linux adopts new technology constantly.

[–] Hubi@feddit.de 84 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The difference is that Linux generally adopts new technology because it enhances the user experience in some way, and not because it maximizes ad revenue and telemetry.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago
[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ehn, one can survive pretty long with a stable distro.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, but eventually that LTS goes EOL and you'll have to move from that abandonware.

[–] Granixo@feddit.cl 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ubuntu LTS versions can last 10-12 years before EOL.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, 10-12y to swim, slowly in-taking chlorine overtime...
Then when you do finally switch, you find yourself in a similar yet vastly different swimming pool and the cycle starts over.
Imagine when eventually the LTS goes Wayland only and Luddites go : "I'mma just stay with my abandonware forever."
Luddites hate adapting to new technology as a character trait, it's what makes them a Luddite.
Luddites will often choose to deal with decrepit, vulnerable, abandonware then change to something new because they don't want to spend a week learning new "muscle memory".

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The Luddites of Linux are one's desperately trying to convince people that Xorg is perfectly flawless and that Wayland is vaporware.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

A luddite should ideally not involve in Display Server wars

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?

Come back with your Wayland ad when there's something like CWM or FVWM for it.

It's simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won't change that.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?

Literally, YOU right now.
Also, this is the linux community; everyone has an opinion on everyone else's opinion.

Come back with your Wayland ad when there's something like CWM or FVWM for it.

LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.

It's simply functionally inferior now.

It's functionally superior in many ways, and here's the real kicker, its actually maintainable and expandable.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don't have HDR? LMAO.
I'm done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just fyi this isn’t the Linux community. It’s just “technology”.

Granted on lemmy it’s basically just one big Linux community.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Didn't even realize lmao.

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You people are fucking crazy and will literally find anything to fight about. Normal users don't care about this sort of shit and it's the thing that turns people completely off when they inevitably run into a problem with Linux.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

inevitably run into a problem with Linux

This has nothing to do with any of kind of Linux problem.
It's just Luddites crying because Linux is moving on from outdated flawed software that has a bunch of unfixable problems.
Same shit happens with windows, my guy. "WHAAAAAAAA MY WINDOWS XP/98 WHAAAAAA", at least it's often partially valid for windows...
Luddites are not exclusive to any particular OS.

If someone is having a Linux issue, they just need to ask. Literally just ask me, or the vast major of other users, we'll literally provide better tech support than Windows will ever have.

[–] Kyatto@leminal.space 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

yeah I've seen the windows support forums, every official response either misses the point of the question or the answer is straight up wrong.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What gets me is the replies like "just wipe it & reinstall the whole thing".
Yeah right, like I'mma spend an entire hour wiping, reformatting and reinstalling Windows, then varying additional time reconfiguring everything for a problem that likely has an extremely simple solution but they're too lazy to gather the necessary information to actually solve it.
Assuming that the Windows installer doesn't fuck up and I have to restart the install process again, which has happened to me several times.
At least Linux takes 5-10m tops to install for the user friendly distros.
Even I, a Linux user who's spent hours upon days debugging kernel issues for my hardware can see how fuckin stupid that shit copout advice is.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't know why they devolve back to tribalism. I just installed the thing and the programs I had to use and just...kept using it since I didn't want to pirate windows xd. No need to shout to others what's my favorite fake non Unix distro or anything.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This is not tribalism.
This is people crying because Windows moved from 95 to 98 for comparison.

Xorg has a plethora of unfixable issues, and people are mad that we can't & don't want to stick to it for all eternity, crippling the hell out of Linux growth & innovation.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I just hope they get rid of the ancient stuff to make the neckbeards seethe xd

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago

It would mean corporate software support. And while you might still choose FOSS, it means money pouring into Linux—which is always a good thing.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 11 points 8 months ago

"And the lord said unto John, come forth and install gentoo."

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for "neo-Luddites" anyway. I don't find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.

[–] radamant@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites