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The measure to make vehicles weighing 1.6 tons and over pay 3x the parking rates for the first two hours has passed in Paris.

Now, let's get that in place for London and many other other places to help slow, and even reverse, this trend towards massive personal vehicles.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (42 children)

When giant SUVs are only accessible to the rich anyways, then the whole premise of tripling parking fees is meaningless to begin with. And yes, I'm against the idea of trying to solve the problem using a tax because it's a performative measure that accomplishes nothing of real value while distracting from real solutions. I believe this accomplishes about as much as carbon taxes.

[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago (11 children)

The thing is, SUV prices depreciate, and people who would never be able to afford a new one can easily obtain them used. Gas prices are obviously not enough of a deterrent even to those living paycheck to paycheck. Some additional barriers to disincentivize the choice of driving the largest car they can afford is very welcome.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Again, my point is that this approach creates a two tiered system where people who can afford it get to flaunt the rules everybody else has to play by. An outright ban that applies to everyone equally is a much more fair measure.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Please show me the mythical poor people who are driving around downtown Paris in their SUVs. Please, show me one! They don't exist! Please stop pearl clutching over the plight of the mythical poor Parisian SUV driver!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And more straw manning. Props for working hard to twist what I say to fit the argument you want to argue against champ.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You have got to be American right? The right for one to drive their big-ass SUV downtown is not something the Parisian working-class is concerned about!

Working-class Parisians are not buying and driving big-ass SUVs downtown anyways! No poor people are being harmed by this!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not an American, but it's pretty funny how you now speak for the Parisian working class. And I've repeatedly explained to you in detail that my argument absolutely nothing to do with poor people being harmed by this. The fact that you keep framing it that way illustrates that you're either a troll or have incredibly poor reading comprehension.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

So what's your argument then? You're against a tax on people publicly flaunting their wealth, because it will... prevent poor people from flaunting their wealth? Lmao? Wealth that poor people don't have?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I explained my argument repeatedly in this thread, if you still don't get it then I clearly won't be able to explain it to you. Either I have extremely poor communication skills or you understand what I'm saying perfectly well, and choose to ignore it and make transparent straw man to argue against. Either way, you can enjoy trolling somebody else. I'm done here.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Parisians: improves society somewhat

Wise man: this will not turn society into utopia, so I actually oppose this measure lol

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