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[–] kklusz@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The most important part of what you said is that you’d build “SO much” housing. If we’d just let the free market build all the housing it wants without letting NIMBYs get in the way, we’d have largely solved the housing crisis.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except we already have more houses than there are homeless people. The problem is the empty houses have ridiculous price tags due to corporate landlords and landlords refusing the sell and only rent (also at ridiculous prices)

[–] kklusz@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vacancy rates in the places where people actually want to live are really low. Besides, are people not allowed to have vacation homes?

Market price is a function of supply and demand. We’ve been under building housing for years.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alright but life never promised anyone these luxuries. I don't give a fuck if someone can't have a vacation home because it means more people without one can have one. People act like freedom to do whatever the hell they want no matter how negatively it effects everyone else is their universal right. The Universe doesn't give a fuck about your summer home, nature doesn't give a fuck that you worked hard to get it. It will all be swallowed all the same if our main goal still is not perpetual survival. That may be authoritarian, but it is also the truth. We never left the game of survival we just plastered concrete and asphalt on top of it and pretended we were removed.

[–] kklusz@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Universe doesn’t give a fuck about your summer home, nature doesn’t give a fuck that you worked hard to get it.

Nor does the universe care about your sense of fairness or lack of understanding of econ 101. Keep restricting supply while demand increases, and watch what happens. Oh wait, we’ve already seen what happens, and yet we refuse to acknowledge it.

So be it. A population deserves the problems it gets.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I never said supply wasn't an issue. I said people are out here acting like they are owed luxury and that has never been true nor will it ever be. We all know zoning laws and supply restrictions for profit are what got us here. Do you think any of the lobbyists receiving money from these corps are gonna let it go? No.

Edit: and econ101 doesnt matter when the supply is kept artificially low through corporate welfare, consolidation, and lobbying.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Dude is either trolling or brainwashed. You’ll never get through to them.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

We all know zoning laws and supply restrictions for profit are what got us here.

Ah, OK. But then "there's more empty houses than homeless people" argument doesn't make sense.

and econ101 doesnt matter when the supply is kept artificially low through corporate welfare, consolidation, and lobbying.

WDYM it doesn't? It works as expected.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, a population can't deserve anything, an individual can. But yes, you are correct.

Keep restricting supply while demand increases, and watch what happens. Oh wait, we’ve already seen what happens, and yet we refuse to acknowledge it.

Sadly humans are apes and thus they are not really looking for science to tell them what they don't know, they want it to confirm what they'd like to think.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, one can build it NITBY, just with functioning public transport to TBY, so that it could function. There's plenty of available space on the planet.