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[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 67 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Once the hateful boomers die out, the republican party will be finished. They know this and is why they have been focusing on voter suppression so much.

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 25 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I remember seeing this comment on Digg while people speculated that W would be the last republican president elected for a generation.

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, he didn't win his first election by getting the most votes, and neither did Trump.

The Republicans realized during the Reagan administration that they would soon be unable to win the presidency with a majority of votes and took many steps to undermine the Democratic process. Voter suppression, purges, intimidation, voter ID laws, all of that began with Reagan.

Bush the elder was the last to win a "democratic" victory. If it weren't for 9/11, Bush wouldn't have been able to win his second election either. That fact always blows my mind. Like people rallied around the incompetent fool who managed to ignore warnings and let a terrorist strike happen only to then go on and invade the wrong country multiple times and spend trillions of dollars on nothing.

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree. I'm just calling out the whole "things will change when conservatives start dying off" trope because people have been banking on that for 20 years.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

They keep living!

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

" ya don't change horses midstream 🤠" was a literal campaign ad phrase back then I remember

Boomers have a lot of lead accumulated in their brains, not entirely their fault

[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago

That was so dumb. We literally had a President die in office during the biggest war humanity has ever seen, and we still won. Not only that, but Truman was kept out of the loop on a lot of things ("What's the Manhattan Project all about?").

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 18 points 5 months ago (15 children)

If the US president got elected by getting the most votes, there wouldn't have been a Republican since Bush senior. I really don't understand why electoral reform is not higher on the political agenda in the US.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

Having it based purely on a popular vote will still wind up with a 2 party system. Ranked voting needs to be implemented. All of the benefits of a popular vote, with actual checks and balances to elevate 3rd parties.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago

The Democratic party and Republican party are united in their opposition to electoral reform because they both benefit the most from it.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

This was the deal with the devil that people in the North made with people in the South to convince people in the South to join them in a government specifically set up to defy the British. The US as a democracy has always failed because it was designed to give ultimate executive power to the states rather than to the people.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 5 months ago

So far he's the last to win the popular vote (and only for his second term).

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah this has been a thing forever. DeSantis was the strong culture war candidate too and... yeah. Trump has a clear role in culture war but he doesn't seem to care personally, he flip flops all the time on many culture war issues depending on what is convenient or funny to say in the moment.

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

It's almost like he's playing both sides of many issues; as a conman does and as the mark allows.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

It's important to remember that collapse doesn't happen overnight, and then suddenly it does. It takes a great deal of times for cracks to form and a structure to fall, but once it goes, it goes.

[–] Welt@lazysoci.al 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're more powerful and influential than you think - they're not going anywhere. They might change their policies to suit the times (remember Lincoln was a Republican) but the so-called "Grand Old Party" ain't going nowhere unfortunately.

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If they pull a reverse Southern strategy and jump over and their become more left then the Democrats, I would be willing to vote for them. Also, hell freezing over might help with global warming.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's not the name that's the issue. Whether they're called "Democrat" or "Republican" doesn't matter.

It's their backwards-ass, regressive, hateful policies that I don't vote for.

If they start saying they're going to force companies to take accountability for their impact on the climate, pledge to give the country a UBI, and socialized healthcare, I'd vote for a "Republican" so fast that I'd need new tires.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

If they start saying they’re going to force companies to take accountability for their impact on the climate, pledge to give the country a UBI, and socialized healthcare, I’d vote for a “Republican” so fast that I’d need new tires.

I'm willing to go along with that, but with the recognition that between now and when we both die of old age we've got a greater chance of seeing absolute proof of intelligent extraterrestrial life than we do of seeing this happen believably enough for either of us to actually pull that lever.

[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They nearly overrode the vote last time around. They faced no consequences and they’re very close to being in a position to do it again and make lasting changes to seize power forever. Nothing good is guaranteed.

And they’re rewriting education including made up history to ensure that more kids are conservative in future generations. Things aren’t looking good.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They faced no consequences

Except the 200+ people who were convicted and are currently sitting in jail.

And, as cynical as we might be, we have to remember that Trump's various trials are not over yet.

[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Ues. The pawns were convicted and the people with actual power faced no consequences. The ringleader could very well be elected president where he ignored the law consistently. His trials keep getting delayed and the corrupt judge he appointed keeps helping him. It’s very scary times.

[–] vimdiesel@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

They literally have plans on concentration camps for reeducation into christofascism.

[–] daemoz@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tdont kid yourself,, look at the numbers, Trump is propped up by gen x. The demographic loudest against biden are gunna be around a long time.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

demographic loudest against biden

And add in the "Biden = genocide but I have no alternative to offer so I guess I want Trump to win" crowd and you can be in trouble.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As terrible as Biden's stance on the Israel/Palestine conflict is, he's still the lesser of two evils. Another Trump presidency would not spell good things for Palestinian civilians.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

And that's my point. Trump CERTAINLY will be worse, but people have decided that they will let the greater of two evils in by default rather than work to bring in the lesser of the two.

People who think that Biden is genocidal have seen nothing yet compared to Trump being in that role agian.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's like they forgot all of the pro-Israel moments of Donald Trump's 4 years in office. But since October 7th 2023, people have actually started to receive an education in Israeli/Palestinian relations. Most people thought it started on October 7th 2023 and not, you know, 75 years before that.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It is the first real conflict in a generation or so, there are probably many people who never thought of it before and are suddenly interested.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The fact that crowd exists is a scary reminder of the power of propaganda, advertising, and manipulation. It's a clear and devastating example of using people's values against them. It's an entirely artificially created demographic. To people who didn't get caught on that particular baited hook, it looks insane.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The fundamentals of how to wage information/cognitive warfare should be part of public schools' curriculum so our kids will recognize when its happening.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

And yet those who did are passionately angry at you for not agreeing with them. Like insulting your dead grandma and saying you should never have been born kind of angry. It's so weird.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There are still plenty of ignorant and angry Gen X and Millenials. I agree that the GOP is finished, and it's only a matter of time. There will always be stupid people to pick up their mantle, however.

[–] vimdiesel@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Plenty ignorant Gen Z while we're on the top, ain't nothing special about y'all. Vote democrat or you're just helping Trump turn America fascists and then the reeducation camps will start

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I’m Gen X, but thanks. I work with university students and trust me that everyone else is a dinosaur.

[–] CaptainProton@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But what will replace them? Uni-party doesn't work either (e.g. NYC)

[–] proudblond@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

Hopefully the Democrats. No seriously, I hope the Dems become our more conservative party and we get a more progressive party. But… I’m not holding my breath, honestly. Feels like wishful thinking.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A new party will pop up. The Federalist Party died out after Hamilton was shot and also the War of 1812. They fielded their last Presidential candidate in 1816 with 30.9% of the vote.

Then the National Republican Party (different from the current Republican party) evolved out of the Democratic-Republican Party.

Personally, I'd love it if Democrats became the right-most party by staying exactly as they are, and a new party breaks off of them or evolves out to their left.

[–] nybble41@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

Personally, I'd love it if Democrats became the right-most party by staying exactly as they are, and a new party breaks off of them or evolves out to their left.

I'd say it's more likely to go the other way, with the more moderate or right-leaning Democrats breaking off to form their own party and perhaps steal away the more moderate Republican voters. There are a lot of voters who would naturally align more closely with traditional Republican political views voting Democrat only because the Republican party has been taken over by a radical faction. Having laissez-faire fiscal conservatives and outright socialists in the same party isn't really sustainable long-term; there are too many critical points of disagreement.

[–] CaptainProton@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Democrats aren't exactly a healthy representation of moderation. They're too authoritarian for me to want the other party to be the actually-socialist party. Socialist and libertarian would be a balance, but it requires a big chunk of the Democrat platform to burn alongside MAGA. Honestly actually-socialist and actually-libertarian would be the two parties we really need today.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I hope so but I think my fellow gen x'ers will just become as hateful and bigoted.

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