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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nobody is forcing him to be a member of the profession – to paraphrase one of his tweets that was complained about “You’re free to leave [the profession] at any point.”

Jordan Peterson really is free to leave the profession - he doesn't need the money. Meanwhile a psychologist who isn't independently wealthy can't express controversial opinions without risking his livelihood. I don't think "only the rich can exercise freedom of speech" is good policy.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And again people don't grok what "freedom of speech" entails.

You can speak all you like. If what you say pisses people off, they can avoid you all they like, up to and including MOTHERFUCKING EMPLOYMENT.

Freeze Peach idiots need to grow the Hell up!

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People forget that free speech also includes freedom of association. You can say what you want but others have the freedom to choose not to associate with you because of it.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But freedom of association is used to justify racial discrimination, including segregation, so that doesn't really work either.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every right has limits. Discrimination against protected classes is one of those limits.

Every right has limits.

Yeah, that's a good way to get you into a tyrannical situation you have no way out of.

[–] mrbubblesort@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meanwhile a psychologist who isn’t independently wealthy can’t express controversial opinions without risking his livelihood

Oh fuck off with that. The opinion he expressed was, and I quote, (about child deaths) "it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyways". A licensed medical professional should never say something like that, period, even in jest.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Copy and paste of another user's comment:

Good article?

The comments that formed the basis of the complaints against Dr. Peterson included comments on a podcast in which he commented on air pollution and child deaths by saying “it’s just poor children…”

This quote is the most disgusting out of context character assassination I've seen in a long time.

I got suspicious because while Jordan does say things that women and/or trans people often find deplorable. I know that he's a strong supporter of the poor (at least in rhetoric) and as a family man I assume of children as well.

The full context can be found on Spotify. Episode #1769 of "The Joe Rogan Experience" start from about 15:30. He's the one that brings up how 7 million poor children die from indoor particulate pollution. Joe doesn't believe him and gets a fact check, which eventually leads to Jordan sarcastically saying "Well, it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyway..."

It's such an insane mischaracterization of what he said, you can't take the article seriously. Probably would have to write off the entire website that article is from, honestly.

[–] sushimi@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up💯. it indeed is not Jordan's character to say something negative about the worth of any person. i can only immagine that he would say something like that when he's deliberately portraying the perspective of an evil mentality.

i don't get why you get 19 downvotes though..

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't know the context for that quote and I don't think it's particularly relevant to my argument. Even if we assume the worst possible interpretation, H.L. Mencken still said it best:

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.

[–] escapesamsara@discuss.online -1 points 1 year ago

You're right, that's why I support genocide. There are too many oppressive laws aimed at oppressing the rights of fascists, or as I've taken to calling them, people with genocidal thoughts they'd like to turn into actions. You can't start oppressing them, otherwise someone could use those laws to oppress me!