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I'm gonna be really blunt here, idk how it'll be received, but: without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
I just see so many people on Reddit claim to only love "true amateur" content, but that content almost always gets hugely downvoted or goes unnoticed on the big subreddits. I think it's because people who don't profit from their stuff aren't always trying to make content with the widest appeal possible. They don't tend to care as much about being perfectly lit up so every nipple detail is visble. Or about getting the pose just right. Many won't want to show their face. You'd think the clearly true amateur stuff would be more celebrated, but it seems people want to see women make huge amounts of pro-level content just for funsies. That's not really realistic.
Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
I’ve noticed that when people say they love amateur content, they really mean they love professional level content that they don’t have to pay for
Hear hear, why don't people get this?
The people who like popular porn don't really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn. They only do so when talking about the ethical consumption of porn, and their focus is on supporting people for their work, not the appreciation for the high quality or enjoying the financial transaction.
Announcing you like amateur porn is a statement about the flavor of porn you like, and it's pretty clearly a minority opinion, given what we see reach the tops of the porn forums.
I pretty much only like amateur porn. But you know what? I'm not going to stop anyone else from enjoying the kind of porn they like. Why should I? If you like professional porn, great! If you don't, that's okay too. Neither side should judge the other so long as they're not promoting harmful behavior of one type or another. There's nothing wrong with making a living by getting naked, there's nothing wrong with doing it for fun!
I dunno. Maybe I'm just being the salty OF girl, but it doesn't seem like anyone at all (on Reddit, not here) is willing to do anything besides grumble about advertisement when the subject comes up. I see mods of nsfw subreddits get downvoted to hell when they say they won't be banning Onlyfans users from posting, followed by tons of upvoted "where are the reeeeal women?" comments. The complaint comments get upvoted more than actual, perfectly good content posted by regular women. I just wish they'd be a little more supportive when those women do post, I suppose.
That being said, I totally agree that people should watch and make porn for whatever reason they please!!
The thing is, my ad block works on stated ads, but it doesn't work on the subliminal ones such as OF.
All the power in the world to you for doing what you do. I have nothing against it. (I mean, I'm against capitalism in general, but you clearly own the capital in this situation). There should be places where OF women/men can post their profiles so people can find them, the problem is the fact that it's everywhere that used to be more community and amateur based.
I think it's fair to say that the gonewild subs/communities have been taken over by folks who are always wild, as it's their profession. You wouldn't see pornstars posting on gonewild, because they aren't "going wild" in the sense of the basis of the subs, the old series Girls Gone Wild. The whole point was that it's regular people ("hot" or otherwise) posting something risque to step out of their shell. That's why you'd see a lot of cropped faces and such.
What happened is a few people like the one asian woman who's name I just can't remember, who were more attractive than most other posters, started doing it a bit more than just as a dirty little secret. It became the main part of their life. It became a job. Then due to her and others like her, people started getting the idea of OF, where anyone can skip the first part and just start selling sex pics/vids.
I'm not blaming her specifically, especially since I don't remember her name, but there was a definite change in the atmosphere of the gonewilds and by the end of the recent reddit fallout, most of those subs were 98% OF posts. You could click a username and see the same pic, with what had to be auto-generated titles, to as many possible NSFW subreddits they could find.
A big thing now as well is that the non OF posters are more self conscious in general, and might only be trying to post a few selfies a month. When they see what they competition is like (OF posts), they get discouraged. How is anyone supposed to be into them when all they see are these megahotties and yunghungguns all over the place. amateurs don't have the lighting and cameras to even compete with the lowliest OF posters. You can act like you support the amateurs as a creator yourself, but then you post next to them and try and act surprised? It's just a basic difference between amateur and professional (even if it's not corporate) content.
Honestly I think the biggest issue is that OF is a subscription model which forces workers like you into the shitty situation of having to continually make new content and finding new subs. Imho this ends up making the content very quantity over quality, and forces you all into having to advertise aggressively while being unable or unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes.
Just looking at the top cummunities (lmao) here, most are part of the gonewild trope and they're all filled to the brim with OF posts. again, you can't go wild if being wild is your job. You're just wild.
“Unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes”
Please tell me what those are 😂
We are banned from most platforms. I do YouTube, Twitter, IG, Twitter, and here. I try to build community and if some people want more of me, they can subscribe. I don’t want to spam the communities I create on socials, but I also have to earn a living because I devote a lot of energy and time to content creation 💕 I think this is a happy medium.
But really…where do you suggest I advertise! I truly am all ears
The German gonewild community banned all commercial posters. Even an onlyfans link in their bio will get you banned. I think the community is still thriving.
My wild guess on this is, that you can go wild in Germany and still have time to do your daily job. And because the german society is not so focused on money in terms of: if you do not have it you cannot get basic necessities like medical interventions or learn a job.
US content creators have a big incentive to monetize everything to the maximum possible.
Edit: germansgonewild has a maximum of two posts in 24 h and a profile wide ban of paid content. No links, no comments etc.
I agree. Whether someone is “pro” or doing it because, the attitude should be supportive. Otherwise, the content will be shitty. It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.
Except for years that wasn't the case on any of the gonewilds on reddit. You act like without OF people won't have any access to porn. As if pornhub doesn't exist, or the million other sites. Cam girls exist too. You clearly miss the reason for the gonewild communities and only see it as a place to act like you're just some regular girl who's being dirty. But you're not, you're a professional sex worker. There should be a space for OF workers to post their stuff, but it shouldn't be every single space on this or similar websites.
You're discriminating against the people who just want to share because it makes them and others feel good. You just want money. You can start as an amateur, but once it's your job, you aren't an amateur anymore and don't get to act like you are, or participate in a community designed for amateurs.
clearly you don't read the comment sections on pornhub. also you're ignoring the fact that there's been SO MANY popular porn stars throughout the past 30+ years. You might not be talking to your relatives or coworkers about your favorite porn star, but there are many many places where people do just that.
Back when amateur content was popular on reddit it actually went well.. I actually think the prominence of OF posters has put off the original amateurs.
I think if it's done well both can co-exist with care and attention to rules. A pro OF community can permit OF advertisers if they want. But while having overt OF spam might add content, it will at the same time drive viewers away.
Also suggesting people that don't want to be advertised to are anti sex work is stupid, and the few fools who have said as much are really just stupid.
I don't like ads, any ads, and yet i still support businesses that advertise.
do you think that could be because the women were just lying about being bi so they had more opportunities to advertise their OF? I think that's kind of a huge point in support of banning OF ads
sorry for the late reply. I understand your point, but it still illustrates how little contribution an OC community will see from true amateur women with rules like that in place. communities will simply need to decide between allowing men and still having a relatively healthy amount of posts (but they will be mostly of penises), or disallowing men and just not having a lot of content. the choice was easy for r/bigonewild because it was already a space for people who like men. I'd say r/gonewild is a notable exception, but it's also got a massive viewership that many people will leverage to build an audience before posting their paid links on profile and then receiving a ban. not that there are no unpaid women on that subreddit, there are, but that's a factor.
Why do you assume all this shit is worth getting some cringy amateur content? I don't even like amateur content when it's interactive. Those thots can go make videos and sell them on their whatever site, but they shouldn't talk to me like I'm stupid and thirsty, and they should stay the fuck out of my communities!
Re-read the original comment. Everyone on this thread is talking about OC (aka interactive amateur) communities. If you don't like that, don't go to OC communities. Also, you seem kinda unpleasant in general