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Prosecutors will seek the death penalty for the white supremacist who killed 10 Black people at a Buffalo supermarket.

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[–] snek@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

And will that help reduce violent deaths at all in the future? A large number of shooters are just out to commit a mass murder-suicide. Who does this serve justice to? Or is this just to get people feeling like they've been "avenged"?

I know it's a cliche, but it is a bit dumb to kill someone to show that killing is wrong.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Why waste resources on one who has proven themselves to be the worst kind of man? He won't learn a lesson. He doesn't deserve an opportunity to ever rejoin society. Your suggestion is to house, feed and provide medicine for this monster for the rest of his life. To give him what millions of Americans can not obtain. You want to reward his actions.

The death penalty is not revenge. It's not a lesson.It should not be seen as some deterrent. It's culling a sick animal so it can't do any more harm to the rest of the population. It can be done quickly, humanely, and even cleanly though the cheapest method would make a small, containable mess.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the US it usually three times more expensive to put someone to death than to incarcerate them for life

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Wow today I learned!

There's no good summary that I found in my five mins of research, and a lot of it came from https://deathpenaltyinfo.org, which appears to be a very biased nonprofit against the death penalty.

But the info seems consistent all around. It costs more because since it's such a big deal for the state to kill somebody, the legal costs skyrocket dramatically. Hence, it's more expense.

https://www.quora.com/How-is-lethal-injection-more-expensive-than-the-costs-of-having-someone-serve-a-life-sentence

Again, 5 minutes of research. Somebody correct me. It still smells a bit funny if this cost is lifetime of the prisoner vs someone who has life in prison for multiple decades.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The costs come from years if not decades of appeals that are legally required after someone is sentenced to death, among other things like the cost of the chemicals used for lethal injection.

Factually, the anti death penalty advocates are correct about the expense argument, but it's largely of their own doing because they're the ones who imposed those expenses on the government by pushing for such laws. They literally largely made it a problem.

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[–] PopMyCop@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 points 11 months ago

I don't necessarily disagree with the reasons behind your conclusion, but it costs more to execute a prisoner than to house them for life. The nature of the death penalty means that every appeal must be heard and fought through, which is one reason why it takes so long to kill them after conviction. All of those people involved in that process are thus being dragged away from other things they could be doing.

About the only time an execution occurs quickly is if the individual decides not to appeal. Rare, understandably. The other option would be to ignore the appeals process, and frankly we have already executed too many innocents for any person, even those who believe in the death penalty, to believe that would be justice.

[–] Redfugee@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Do you think it's a waste of resources to even give him a trial? Death penalty trials are long and expensive and often cost more than lifelong incarceration. You might be okay with a low bar for having the government remove someone from society but I think the bar should be high, and the decision shouldn't be done lightly. However, keeping that bar high also takes more resources so the issue isn't as easy as you make it out to be.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Americans not being able to obtain housing and the rising homelessness does not mean we should employ capital punishment, which is an expensive and inhumane procedure where there is a chance to take away the life of those potentially innocent, not to mention that it doesn't actually reduce or deter crime. In fact, it seems that places with more capital punishment have more violent crime.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (28 children)

Yes, because he's a fascist actively helping his cult to take over the country and can only be stopped with violence.

No one wants him dead to prove all killing is wrong, they want him dead because he is genocidal and a threat to the existence of everyone else. Don't you bother trying to understand how other people think and feel, or do you think your arrogance and unwarranted sense of superiority over your opponents is what empathy is?

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[–] BetaSalmon@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Doesn’t it serve justice to the families and friends of the people who he has killed? I can’t imagine them feeling a sense of justice when their tax dollars are put to work to get this guy back into society.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He doesn't have to go back to society. Him being sent to prison for life is justice.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Costs money to pay for his living, food, room, guards, water, sewer plumbing, air, heat, AC

[–] drislands@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (39 children)

It costs a hell of a lot more to execute someone, believe it or not.

Edit: damn, y'all are some bloodthirsty motherfuckers.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Only time it costs more is when the cops loses a lawsuit for unloading their clips on an innocent black person

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

on an innocent ~~black~~ person, sometimes also pet

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[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I wouldn't feel any sense of justice if my tax money went to killing people.

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