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Be careful with that. It was the infighting that kept people home in 2016.
No it wasn’t. It was the DNC cheating at its own game to support Hillary- who was deeply unpopular- that kept people at home.
You can blame other candidates being better all you want. The reality is, Hilary was and Biden is a bad candidate.
"how can Biden be a bad candidate if he won?"
- dnc shills together in unison
we have to move farther right since we lost
🙌
Only voice saying that is in your head.
Sorry but getting more Votes is not defined as cheating. I didn't blame any candidates, I blame the idiots butt hurt for staying home. Add in the "Vote third party to send a message" idiots and you get 2016 in a nutshell. Please note: it wasn't Bernie Voters as they mostly did Vote. But all the "teach Dems a lesson" did was elect Trump. And that is all the fools whining about Biden shall do.
https://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/
it wasn't a fair process to begin with, the DNC ran it's primary so as to prevent Bernie from ever getting that election. and they did it because, as a socialist, he's antithetical to the interests that control the DNC. that is, the corporate elite.
they really should just say "fuck it", stop doing primary elections and just appoint whoever they want. It'd be more honest than the dog and pony show we currently have for primaries.
so, you think it is reliable to accept the Russian provided DNC emails at face value? 'cause that is what that wikileaks garbage is. No chance it was modified or edited to push the exact narrative you bought into?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/23/are-clinton-wikileaks-emails-doctored-or-are-they-/
"Well, you know Chuck, again these are connected to a Russian government propaganda effort to destabilize the election," Kaine responded.
Kaine later added: "The one (email) that has referred to me was flat-out completely incorrect. So I don’t know whether it was doctored or whether the person sending it didn’t know what they were talking about. Clearly, I think there’s a capacity for much of the information in them to be wrong."
Experts told PolitiFact that there is precedent to support Kaine’s claim. While most of the emails are probably unaltered, they said there is a chance that at least a few have been tampered with in some way.
"I've looked at a lot of document dumps provided by hacker groups over the years, and in almost every case you can find a few altered or entirely falsified documents," said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of cybersecurity firm Taia Global. "But only a few. The vast majority were genuine. I believe that's the case with the Podesta emails, as well."
"I would be shocked if the emails weren't altered," said Jamie Winterton, director of strategy for Arizona State University’s Global Security Initiative, citing Russia’s long history of spreading disinformation.
However, some of the emails in the WikiLeaks dump — especially among emails sent to Podesta — don’t have these signatures and can’t be technically verified. And digital signature verification wouldn’t detect tampering by omission, like if the hackers were to withhold certain emails.
I appreciate that you believe it, but those are at best questionable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/11/04/no-the-dnc-didnt-rig-the-democratic-primary-for-hillary-clinton/
If the emails are genuine, they're genuine.
If they're not... that's pretty easy to show. Instead, the DNC has apologized for them. But yeah. I'm the one buying a narrative. We also have records of them, you know, doing the things that the emails say they did- like blocking Bernie from accessing voter rolls so he couldn't send mailers or otherwise contact them.
The leak wouldn't have been as impactful if they weren't, you know, actively undermining candidates in contradiction to their own convention's bylaws. But, yes, RuSsIaNs. it's all the rUsSiAnS fault.
Had they shown proof all it would have accomplished is have folks like you claiming the DNC faked them.
And yes, the Russians were behind the stolen emails of both DNC and RNC. Wonder why only the DNC was published by their propaganda front? The Russian source and their support for Mango Mussolini are both well documented. That you are trying to pretend otherwise fairly well condemns your PoV as entire fantasy. Nice try to further muddy the waters, shrub.
you don't offer apologies for remarks that are fake. then, there's that time that an MSNBC straight up accused them of rigging things before the leaks ever happened
or that time that Warren said she believed it was rigged, too
Like, there's plenty of shit there, and yes, there's probably some emails that were altered to make it look worse than it was.
But you're blatantly ignoring a simple fact that they did these things, and that if they had not done these things, it would be pretty simple to demonstrate otherwise. Instead the the leader of the DNC stepped down, and they issued apologies and continued on, fate acompli. The Russians didn't make them cheat. The Russians weren't even the first ones to go there.
all of which comes back to the broader discussion that biden is an objectively bad candidate, but he's the one democrats will put forward, and instead of doing something to attract voters who patently do not like biden, whine and bitch and moan about how it's their voter's fault.
Boomers gonna boom, I guess.
Julian assange is a journalist. I trust him to have done his homework.
He is a self promoting opportunist and was actively fighting to avoid deportation to the US. He is at best a biased useful tool for disseminating propaganda.
And no, he is in no way a journalist.
Julian Paul Assange is an Australian computer programmer, editor, publisher, and activist who founded WikiLeaks in 2006.
The "idiots" who voted third party went 3:1 for the Libertarian party. The Greens got 1% of the vote, and I'll bet a good portion of those would have picked Trump if forced to pick one or the other.
It's not third party voters, it's voters who stay home. If you think you can berate people into showing up for a shitty candidate, then you are delusional.
No it wasn't, it was trying to force Hillary Clinton down our throats.
She won the primary, but spent all her money in the primary and did almost zero opposition research on trump.
Because Hillary Clinton is remarkably unpopular, she has zero charisma. A life time in politics and her only elected office was a completely safe Blue Senate seat for a state she never lived in after essentially an uncontested primary.
The party put all our eggs in a basket with a giant hole in the bottom, because she spent decades stacking up political favors and called them all in.
Bernie could have pulled off an Obama, but the party learned their lesson the last time voters overruled the party. That's why they switched to the strategy and actual legal defense of "it's my party and I'll influence the results if I want".
I don't know how accurate your analysis is, but it affirms my bias so I like the story you tell.
None of that is accurate, but you believe it because you bought into the whining bull shit from 2016.
Bullshit. It was apathy tangential to despair. Infighting happens in the tiny percentage of voters who are actually engaged in and educated about the political system. They don't stay home on election day. It's the average apolitical Americans who looked at Hillary and saw no point in dragging themselves to the polls. The whole "infighting" thing was just a way for the establishment to shift the blame.