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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Taking shareholders out of anything would be a benefit.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Capitalism is humanity's second biggest mistake. Honestly, if private businesses disappeared altogether, I don't think they'd be missed.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think private business is the issue. I think publicly traded business is the issue. In a private business, you don't have quarterly shareholder meetings with the expectation of continuous growth, and then shareholders demanding you fuck everything up.

Many private businesses are also fucked up, but so many others work just fine. Many work great, particularly small business or employee owned business or coops or similar.

[–] Radicalized@lemmy.one 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Obviously there are a lot of large privately held companies, many of them owned by billionaires, some of whom are very public assholes. Forbes maintains this US-only list (Twitter is 149th and falling): https://www.forbes.com/lists/largest-private-companies/ But, Twitter notwithstanding, most of these giant companies just quietly go about their business. Some of them become conspiracy theory targets (Koch) due to the flex their owners exhibit on the public sphere. And some of this is clearly incorrect in their table (ie: Cargill is not making $1M in revenue per employee -- they probably used US employee count, but global revenue).

Large private companies should be paying more taxes, imo, but are not strictly the problem. Large public companies are evil almost across the whole spectrum. The large private companies don't typically fire 25% of their staff at Christmas just to massage numbers for the quarterly report.

When you look at small companies though (for example, my company is two people, both owners, no employees), I hope you'll see that we're just trying to make a living :)

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I was saying that private control of the means of production are the problem.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 3 points 10 months ago

Imagine your life for a year without visiting a single private business

[–] Spaceinv8er@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't go that far, but we could benefit with less of it.