Asklemmy

44152 readers

742 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy 🔍

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

Open-ended question
Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

Lemmyverse: community search
sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
!lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

110

Deleted (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by IsThisLemmyOpen@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

171 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Deleted

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Show a picture like this:

And then ask the question, "would this kitty fit into a shoe box? Why, or why not?". Then sort the answers manually. (Bonus: it's cuter than captcha.)

This would not scale well, and you'd need a secondary method to handle the potential blind user, but I don't think that bots would be able to solve it correctly.

[–] vegivamp@feddit.nl 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This particular photo is shopped, but i think false-perspective Illusions might actually be a good path...

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago

It's fine if the photo is either shopped or a false-perspective illusion. It could be even a drawing. The idea is that this sort of picture imposes a lot of barriers for the bot in question:

must be able to parse language
must be able to recognise objects in a picture, even out-of-proportion ones
must be able to guesstimate the size of those objects, based on nearby ones
must handle RW knowledge, as "X only fits Y if X is smaller than Y"
must handle hypothetical, unrealistic scenarios, as "what if there was a kitty this big?"

Each of those barriers decrease the likelihood of a bot being able to solve the question.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is the kitty big, or is the man small? And how big are the shoes? This is a difficult question.

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Here's where things get interesting - humans could theoretically come up with multiple answers for this. Some will have implicit assumptions (as the size of the shoebox), some won't be actual answers (like "what's the point of this question?"), but they should show a type of context awareness that [most? all?] bots don't.

A bot would answer this mechanically. At the best it would be something like "yes, because your average kitten is smaller than your average shoebox". The answer would be technically correct but disregard context completely.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Reminds me of how bots tend to be really bad at figuring out whether the word "it" applies to the subject or the object in a sentence like: "The bed does not fit in the tent because it is too big"