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If Fediverse will reach a "sensible amounts of people" by sacrificing all of its goals (no ads, no data harvesting), what's the point of it? You can already register an acc on threads and enjoy full Meta experience.
Meta isn't 'everything new'. It's 'just' an awful company with unethical business model.
Seems more like you dismiss any reasoning against federation as 'it’s all paranoia'.
Yeah, because it is all "slippery slope" and paranoia. So what that they federate? How are they going to force developers to implement ads? How will they force their unethical business model on you?
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Zuck has been refining his unethical business model for decades, they aren't joining activitypub to be a team player.
Is there a way to technically deliver an unbroken user experience to a thread user without privacy issues?
Not really that I can think of, which is why I don't think anyone should federate with them. I agree it's instance operator and users choice but I feel like the default shouldn't be "sign your privacy away, block them if you want to have privacy again (which you likely already lost some of from being federated with them)"
Their ToS (another user already sent a link to it) says they will collect data of anyone interacting with users on their service.
There's this weird argument that our data is public so privacy violation is okay. But, even if it's technically possible to collect and analyze data of fedizens doesn't mean it's okay to do. If it would become known that some of the existing instances do this they will be immediately defederated by everyone. But of course it's different for Meta because they're such a nice company!
You don't have privacy in public, that's the difference between public and private. If meta wanted to they could scrape the entirety of the fediverse every weekend without anyone being federated with an instance of theirs. So that isnt a good reason for defederating.
Fear of EEE is a more reasonable argument, but given that it can be done at any point I dont see any reason to do it pre-emptively rather than take a wait and see approach.
I literally said that: "There’s this weird argument that our data is public so privacy violation is okay."
It doesn't matter if it's public, they use their server for data mining and we can prevent that. Someone may collect our data secretely but it doesn't make more open approach to data mining any better or more ethical.
The longer users on your instance interact with content on Threads, the harder it will be to defederate (people will get angy about losing their content and their reach).
My point was that you cant have your privacy violated in public as you don't have privacy in public. That's what being in public means, a place that isnt private. Being federated or not has zero impact on whether Meta can ingest all the public data they like from the fedivese because its all public.