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I'm surprised how much pearl clutching there is in this thread. This seems like a good thing. It's all supposed to be clearly labeled, and if people want to watch streams with nudity, what's wrong with that?
The twitch boob meta always fascinated me. It's literally trivial to not watch thirst streams if you don't like thirst streams. But people on the internet get so fucking upset about it, and I assume at least 100% of them consume actual porn.
For me it's how popular and accessible twitch is for kids.
I've never really used twitch for anything except getting drops for games (160p and muted lol) but every time I see titty streamers getting recommended despite never watching any
Everything on the internet is easily accessible by kids if the parents aren't doing any supervision.
This is the double standard I hate so much about violence / porn / swearing.
Kids are watching ultra violent game streams? No one gives a shit.
The second a bad word has been said on a stream or a bit of nudity is shown, people are losing their god damn minds.
Short explanation of part of my issue with it:
There's a big, important difference between watching violence in video games/movies and watching a cartel execution or someone being run over on LiveLeak.
There's also a significant difference between "a bit of nudity", even contextually appropriate full frontal, and eroticism.
It’s not the same, porn you have to search out. They’re already on twitch for other reasons and are far more likely to be suggested/shown more vulgar content like “artistic nudity”.
If they can google search for twitch, they can google search for porn. They already know. I mean, come on, you were 14 once.
If they cant google search for twitch, then they shouldnt be able to change the channel to boobie streams for the same reason they shouldnt be able to change to any other non-kid-friendly stream. Thats part of being responsible as a parent.
I dunno, this doesnt seem like that big of a deal.
You mean, as opposed to the notoriously unpopular and inaccessible PornHub (among hundreds of others)?
If my child is on twitch, I can reasonably assume it's for game streaming. If my child is on pornhub, I can assume they are watching pornography. I dont like having that line blurred.
It’s not the same, how many children are going to pornhub to watch video games and happens to see and click on a recommended stream for actual porn?
Your false dichotomy does not hold up.
Yep. It's a lot easier to block Pornhub than it is to block porn on Twitch but leave the rest of Twitch unaffected.
twitch could block mature content behind an account, and only if that account is +18
I was thinking more from a parent's point of view. It's a lot easier to block a whole website than parts of a website.
Personally, as long as kids are getting access to good sex ed I don't see any issue with them stumbling across sexualized content online. We all did it at some point in our lives, digital or not. It's a part of growing up. I also don't think sexualized content should be seen as more problematic than violent content. If anything it should be less problematic (and to be clear I don't find either to be an issue personally)
i have bad news for most of the US for you
That's definitely something to improve, but hiding sex from online spaces is not going to help.
Oh, sure, we probably agree. A distressing amount of people have really bad takes on sex, sex education, gender, history, relationships.. a lot of things, really. Conservatives especially have egregiously bad views.
I remember when I first saw This Film Is Not Yet Rated, and I talked about it with some coworkers. An older woman and a younger woman who sat next to me in the office. Both of them 100% felt that they'd rather their kid watch a movie where people's heads got blown off than one where someone got head. I don't remember their exact argument (this was many years ago), but I'm pretty sure it was such an axiomatic belief for them it was difficult to articulate why.
Yeah, America really got fucked up by the puritans. That prudishness still runs deep. I'm philosophically very sex positive, but I get it, and I'm not immune to that shock factor either sometimes. I try my best to disregard it.
parents don't have a role in there too?
I'm not sure what you mean. Parents are ideally involved in raising their children, but there's no guarantee they'll be involved, good at teaching, teaching anything true, alive, or anything. Public education is important.
The women in Twitch use sex and interactive false sexual interest and love to get people to give them money and buy them gifts. In some ways that’s worse for kids than pornhub porn. Do you expect a 15 year old boy to be able to avoid the “stripper really loves me” trap?
Then it sounds like your actual problem is with a certain pattern of behavior rather than nudity/sexuality itself. So maybe you address your actual concern rather than something tangentially related.
While porn sites are well protected behind a question. Ultimately it's up to parents to monitor their kids media consumption.
As if I wouldn't know how to block domains and IPs on my router
most parent don't even know that the router can be configured, how could they block IP
Yeah I guess I don't really give a shit what other people's kids do
You may want to. You will eventually be interacting with them. Or your kids will.
I am not responsible for ridding the world of maladjusted assholes. I simply do not have the energy.
If there is no other imperative for caring about something beyond "but what about the poorly supervised children?" then that thing is generally going straight to the bottom of my concern list. If the worst thing that poorly supervised children get into is cleavage on twitch, then I'd actually call that a pretty massive win.
How will 14 year olds accidentally seeing a boob on twitch instead of doing what most 14 year olds do by actively searching out porn-esque content going to turn them into a person I dont want to interact with?
Yup, I'm not letting my kids on Twitch because of that.
I hate kiddie accounts, so if I don't trust my kid to browse a service safely, I ban it. As they gain my trust, I open up the services I allow. For example, I used to have a "no YouTube" rule, now I let my oldest (10yo) to browse on his own, provided he tells me what he wants to watch. If I catch him watching something he knows I don't approve of, he'll lose that privilege until he regains that trust.
Twitch will take a while.
The problem, at least to me, is the wildly inconsistent application of the rules. Plenty of streamers have gotten bans for inappropriate content for far, far less than this, and been told to shove it when they tried to appeal. I can guarantee you nobody would be up in arms over this if twitch just treated it as a free for all, and didn't care if people streamed tits. The problem is that it isn't, and lots of people get banned, while the big thirst streamers get given a free pass on everything
Also, If this goes through, the "banned games" list is going to need some real pruning.
My only problem with it is that it's always on the homepage under recommended, despite the fact I've never watched any streams like that. Even if I tell the site "not interested" it still shows the content. I only get on twitch to watch content for one game and from a small number of creators.
Yeah on porn sites.
I don't think people object to it from a moral standpoint, but more from the perspective that it will overtake the content that they want to see.
Gamers mad at women and attractiveness. This is a really hard combo for them.
Nothing new.
This is what got me: Now you can have tits out and twerking, but no longer smoking?
Edit: I personally don't use Twitch nor mind it when nudity becomes more normalised, but as I said in my other comment it's mostly about weed or just smoking a cigarette while doing something else.
Makes sense. Normalizing smoking isn't cool. It's one thing if it's in a movie or TV show, but Twitch has the pretense of being real people who can have parasocial relationships with their fans and influence their behavior. Kids don't need to see or be influenced on that level. At least the nudity or sexuality will be properly labelled.
Personally I was thinking about weed; there's a large community surrounding it and ever since parts of the US started legalising a lot of discussion around it has been popping up.
For example a stream discussing and reviewing different strains could definitely work.
I'd actually watch some streamers if they did it like Getting Doug With High
Smoking kills people.
I don't think that's what it's saying given that "sexual themes" is on this list as well. Seems more like they're saying "we're allowing more sexual content if it's properly labeled, but we're going to start keeping those labels off the home page, and while we're at it we'll take off a bunch of other objectionable content"
Nothing wrong with streaming nudity, but Twitch is specifically marketed to children for the purpose of watching people play video games. Blending porn in that with an algorithm that throws new videos in your face is a recipe for disaster.
Your "supposed to be clearly labeled" argument is really doing a lot of the heavy lifting here and ignores the reality of people gaming the system or finding loopholes and we all know there aren't going to be any real people moderating the site just like every other social media/video streaming site.
They really should have split it up into two different sites because I see this blowing up in their face spectacularly.
I’ve never once seen these girls on my twitch feed. Also, adult channels would obviously be excluded from children’s feed if they’re set up with parental settings.
Also, anyone who has access to the internet has access to porn if they seek it out.
“Think of the children” is such a boring argument. Grumpy old conservatives said the same thing about music videos in the 80s. Now we’ve got incels raging over naked people on the internet.