this post was submitted on 04 Dec 2023
178 points (89.0% liked)

Asklemmy

42609 readers
831 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy 🔍

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

The media won't give me great answers to this question and I think this I trust this community more, thus I want to know from you. Also, I have heard reports that Russia was winning the war, if that's true, did the west miscalculate the situation by allowing diplomacy to take a backseat and allowing Ukraine to a large plethora of military resources?

PS: I realize there are many casualties on both sides and I am not trying to downplay the suffering, but I am curious as to how it is going for Ukraine. Right now I am hearing ever louder calls of Russia winning, those have existed forever, but they seem to have grown louder now, so I was wondering what you thought about it. Also, I am somewhat concerned of allowing a dictatorship to just erase at it's convenience a free and democratic country.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Considering Russia denied their intent to invade as they were conducting it, I don't know that their statements should be considered truth regarding their plans and goals. But here's Westpoint's take on the matter:

Initially, the Russian regime may have regarded its invasion of Ukraine as a “regional conflict” with “important” military-political goals, and its classification as a “special military operation” may have been genuine. Indeed, it seems that the Kremlin’s ambitious political objective was to install a new, pro-Russian government in Kyiv by lightning action.

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/what-is-russias-theory-of-victory-in-ukraine.

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You are unironically sharing a quote riddled with "may"s and "seem"s from United States Military Academy

[–] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And you are making a statement that seems to suggest absolute knowledge of a country's intentions are possible with a leader with a lack of credibility and long history of lying on the world stage.

Gee, this is fun. Or were you making some point? Were you expecting some report about their magic mind-reading device?

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Were you expecting some report about their magic mind-reading device?

But this is what you have been doing all along. Nothing in reality suggests that total annexation of Ukraine was the goal. Not the words of anyone nor the manner in which Russia has executed the invasion yet here you are somehow reading minds to conjure grand motives and subjecting me to smug Reddittor-speak for the crime of asking you to back your frivolous claims. "Gee, this is fun." Jesus Christ.

[–] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nothing in reality suggests that total annexation of Ukraine was the goal

Wait, I'm confused, were you looking for "is" or "suggests?" Because I sent you an article all about "suggests." And, follow-up question, did you think 'You are unironically sharing a quote riddled with "may"s and "seem"s from United States Military Academy' is not smug and was a genuinely civil question?

Since it seems you might not be great at this whole "communicating" thing, I'll be explicit: Yes, those questions were rhetorical. No, you've given me nothing to suggest I should care what your response is.

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Gee, this is fun. Reality is not wishy washy statements from literal America military institutions. It just exposes you as someone who gobbles American state department nonsense wholesale uncritically. If you watched your Rick and Morty properly you would have known that it is not a smart thing to do. Reality in this case refers to what's happening on the ground in the war. Like Russia holding it's annexed territories rather trying to expand indiscriminately.

No, you’ve given me nothing to suggest I should care what your response is.

You are an idiot.