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This comes after an order to evacuate a city with >0.7 million inhabitants within 24h without preparation, with broken infrastructure and broken government, with a treat of invasion.
There's no way this happen without panic, and without people being left behind.
I fear we're going to hear more horrific stories as the dust settles.
This comes with the Hamas having no interest to do any favour in Israel's direction even sacrifice Palestinians if it supports their plan.
This is war don't trust anyone, no news no pictures from both sides.
@Fermiverse the news that most of us are interested in is coming from respected medical staff, reporters, and humanitarian NGOs.
I have no particular reason to distrust those three groups.
There are more than two "sides" here. Personally I am on the side of innocent civilians, no matter what their ethnicity or religion are.
There were many innocent civilians living in Nazi Germany, and a lot of them died in the interest of stopping them.
We try to minimize innocent deaths in war, but when the group you are fighting against uses hospitals as military locations and innocent people as human shields, it becomes difficult to do so
@Dr_Cog
There were also horrific war crimes in WW2, including the bombing of civilians. War crimes are war crimes no matter who commits them.
I don't think it's really an appropriate comparison to make, but since you are making it, approximately 0.4% to 0.6% of Germans were killed by bombing in WW2.
The death toll in Gaza is already at 0.75% of the population, and growing.
You are conflating innocent people with armed forces in this sentence. My point was that it is not the same "them".
You are being drawn in by Israeli propaganda. Look at more balanced news sources, or just a wider range. The 'human shield' myth is particularly awful as it's being used to defend murdering innocent people.
I'm not. I'm old, and have been following this conflict for decades. Hamas very often targets innocent Israelis in their attacks, and hides behind innocent Palestinians to make it difficult for Israel to target them. You can argue about whether it is justifiable or not that they do this, but there are many, many sources that they do.
I'm also old and have been following this conflict for decades but apparently more balanced sources.
Israel claimed that they were targeting Hamas at Al-Shifa but they positioned snipers who shot doctors and nurses through the windows. If you're being forced to attack a hospital full of innocent civilians then you would be trying to avoid the innocent civilians, but that's not what it's about here.
Same as taking swathes of land since WW2, they are occupying massive areas that they were never given. They're not ignorant, they know exactly what they're doing.
The first casualty of war is truth.