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Screw init wars, real OGs discriminate based on DE (lemmy.ml)
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[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At the level I care about, which is "I want this daemon to start when I boot up the computer", systemd is much better. I can write a ~5 line unit file that will do exactly that, and I'll be done.

With init, I needed to copy-paste a 50-line shell script that I don't really understand except that a lot of it seemed to be concerned with pid files. Honestly, I fail to see how that's better...

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that does sound better. What are the arguments for init?

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The only arguments against I have seen so for is systemd does a lot more than just handing system startup (systemd-resolved is one such example) and files that was previously stored as text now require systemd's own tool to read (journalctl?).

So not the actual startup function, just everything else.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Mmm I have a general dislike of systemd because it doesn't adhere to the "do one thing and do it well" approach of traditional Unix systems.

It's a big old opaque blob of software components that work nicely together but don't play well with others, basically.

Edit: but it solved a particular set of problems in serverspace and it's bled over to the consumer Linux side of things and generally I'm ok with it if it simplifies things for people. I just don't want a monoculture to spring up and take root across all of Linux as monocultures aren't great for innovation or security.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Based on the video someone posted, it's not very portable either.

I feel that little part of my brain that wants to add yet another standard itching. Easily starting something at boot is good, but I don't see why that has to come with loss of modularity.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

Afaik they don't care about being portable to instead focus as much as possible on being fast and whatever