The last paragraph comes across as about "no true Scotsman" as it gets. Maybe true IRL communism is as much fiction as the star trek depiction of it is.

[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's the point of my concluding paragraph. I am acknowledging that fallacy. So I ask, if freedom is an actual component to socialism, communism, or anarchism, then is the USSR actually a communist state? I can easily argue North Korea isn't. China and Russia aren't socialist at all. Russia is an oligopoly and China is just state capitalism.

So what is "true socialism"? I don't think we can ever achieve. We can't have a "perfect" society, but I do think we can get close enough having workers been more in control of their labor, be more democratic, and not live in an authoritarian state. We may not 100% be able to live in a Star Trek universe but I think we can get quite close.

[–] Resonanz@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure, here are some examples:

EZLN: Wikipedia
AANES: Wikipedia

As you may imagine, they aren't finding their way to exist easy. But they sure are having success in learning how to create a horizontal society.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The former is operating illegally amidst intense violence that they have as much responsibility for as the Mexican government and the latter have committed ethnic cleansing. So I'm not sure why you think they are good examples. Unless you think socialism means people must be killed.