The whole point of Communism is to balance power away from the 1% and back to the masses. The fact that it is an "-ism" and has decades of propaganda demonozing it, doesnt make that any less true.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The important part is it's not an authoritarian running the show and calling it "communism" or " democracy" when the reality is it's just a plain old oligarchy with a new title applied.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

100% couldn't agree more.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The whole point of Communism is to balance power away from the 1% and back to the masses

But there needs to be some governing body that is responsible for determining how the power and wealth is distributed. Per the OP's point: if the proper guardrails are not in place, control of that governing body will eventually shift towards a person or party who corrupts it for their own purposes. It doesn't matter what the "point" of a system is, corrupt people will always attempt to take the wheel.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This was legitimately a problem after ww2 where the politically active communists were more heavily involved in the war and a bunch of the human infrastructure of (especially local)democracy got killed by nazis

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

balance power away from the 1% and back to the masses

By installing a dictator...every time it's attempted...

Maybe not do that next time and try doing it from the bottom up instead of top-down🏴. It's much more work to convince people that this is a solution and have them help willingly instead of forcing them to go along with it. We tried the Marxist-Leninist way dozens of times, let's try the anarchist way. A capitalist boot or a communist boot on my neck makes no difference to me, it's still a boot on my neck.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That is a problem of how revolution works, not a problem of communism.

Create a power vaccuum, and those who had the most power will STILL have the most influence. Even if you literally killed all the old power, you would be immediately creating an authority structure with the legal authority of capital punishment, which many, MANY communists wouldn't agree with.

The problem is horrible people exist, NOT the concept of communism. For every reason people shit on Communism, there are twenty valid reasons to shit on capitalism. Neither system works in the real world on its own. To pretend like capitalism is magical in comparison is literally failing to observe reality.

The rich and powerful constantly shit on political action because it IS effective. They do not enjoy going through the effort of retaining power through internal conflicts and ESPECIALLY not actual revolutions. Why would they EVER tell you the truth?

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why did Napoleon take power after the French Revolution if Capitalism doesn't have dictators every time a revolution occurs?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because short man special!

/s (do I even need this? This one HAS to be so absurd as to make the "/s" superfluous)

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

HE WAS AVERAGE HEIGHT FOR THE TIME PERIOD!!! (I miss overlysimplified so much)

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe not do that next time and try doing it from the bottom up instead of top-down🏴.

Those have been tried, but they often tend to get liberated by the CIA. Or in some cases, the KGB / Red Army.

[–] rchive@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm certainly not advocating for toppling other countries' governments, but honestly the fact that so many countries end up not being able to withstand the attacks from outside is kind of a mark against them.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Well, that's the problem with bottom-up government, isn't it? It is better in most ways, but the local empire will invade you at the first chance they get.

If I remember correctly, the fall of the Paris commune to a Franco-German alliance was what led the early Marxists to embrace a centralised system. Of course, that brings its own problems, as power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Even the fucking CIA isn't dishonest enough to say such things

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf

[–] kugel7c@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Rojava wants a few words.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Rojava is doing exactly as I suggested. Spreading the power out. It's a rare bird among the many communist attempts. I was actually going to offer it up as an example.

[–] MrSqueezles@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is why Xi Jinping lives in a giant gilded castle and any negative thing said anywhere about him is censored, just like every other citizen. Everyone's equal.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -5 points 10 months ago

Citation fucking needed, do you even know anyone from China?

[–] jeansibelius@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago

Just look at "balance power away from 1%" in China, Ruzzia or North Corea. Do you really like it? Or you just read books and not looking at real life examples?