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One significant difference, though, is that you can't blame a jewish Israeli for being born in Israel. In that sense they're much different than the Western muslims who moved to ISIS territory.
Maybe Israel shouldn't have existed in 1948, but we have to deal with the fact that it does.
That does of course not excuse West Bank colonialism and apartheid. But if I had a workable solution to that I'd not be writing Lemmy comments on the shitter.
Yeah but that's not how any of this works lol
You would have to define what a real country is, and how it is not the same as the geopolitical status quo of Israel. By any useful contemporary definition Israel is a country.
Claims in religious texts don't mean anything if you cannot independently verify them. What matters is what people (with some power) believe, and a lot of people do believe it does and ought to exist. Enough for it to exist anyway.
israel is not a country it's an American military base. If the only people who recognize a colony as a "country" are other countries that are halfway across the globe it's not a country.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read today. The majority of countries on earth are former colonies whose borders were drawn up by Europeans thousands of kilometers away. Not only that, Israel is a self governing geopolitical entity that has formal relations with the majority of countries in the world and can defend itself fairly well.
The US is a country despite the fact that the colonisation of North America was a net wrong.
The majority of those countries you speak of recognize eachother. israel is an out of control American military base that abuses the name of the Jewish people to justify their war crimes.
I get that country/state is a loose concept, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
The existence of foreign military bases and whether a political entity has committed war crimes are not typically considered in most accepted definitions of statehood. 85% of the countries on earth, literally a majority, recognize Israel. Going by for instance the criteria of the Montevideo Convention (permanent population, defined territory, government, capacity to have international relations) only the defined territory is debatable.
The thing with geopolitics is that international laws are more like guidelines. If a political entity can afford to exist through whatever means, and if it ticks most of the boxes of what we generally consider to be true of statehood, it is a country/state for all practical purposes.