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Civilian deaths are indefensible, whether done by Hamas or Israel | Rajan Menon (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] sanzky@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

would you say that to people in every single colonialist country? e.g. the US?

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

USA seemed to rather successfully suppress the violent factions inside their nation, several times.

[–] sanzky@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

their nation was literally built on top of violence.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's probably the norm. Finland, the posterboy of peace, started its independence with a civil war and continued by joining the Nazis in WW2 against Soviet Union.

Seems to me that there are two kinds of nations on this planet: dead ones and those that were at some point based on violence.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

All nations are built and maintained by violence, either directly or by threat of it.

It's a core component of sovereignty. To be able to call your government sovereign you must have the capacity to resist both external and internal actors from being able to overthrow you.

You must also be willing and able to use violence against those under your rule who disobey your laws (i.e, arresting a murderer).