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I've been inside his mother jokes on him

As an outsider looking in, I've seen a lot of footage of rallies and events (on both sides) that are just absolutely crazy to me. Almost dystopian. People with painted faces, all kinds of merch, hollering and shouting and cheering like it's the X Factor or a rock concert or something. You see people being interviewed outside the events and it's like a festival in the background. It's really, really bizarre. We have problems with our politics here too but not like that. I can't believe that all of those people are ACTUALLY that passionate about any policies themselves, it's just vague culture wars nonsense with a bizarre personality contest as a proxy for it.

As I say, I'm not trying to act superior. My country has its share of problems too, just a very different sort.

Bit of an empty threat when he can just upload his consciousness into a different copy of his current model.

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I think this tips it over the edge for me to switch to Firefox

Would it be worth reaching out to them on social media? Something like this would be great PR for them.

Well, the first A in ACAB stands for "all". Meaning the claim is not limited to America. It's a statement about policing as an institution in general, and so I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to contribute to the discussion even though I'm a foreigner.

I don't think my view can be dismissed as anecdotal. A person basing a view off of one anecdote is anecdotal. A person who has worked in the field for years and has multiple degrees in the area isn't giving anecdotal evidence, they're giving expert and specialist insight. Furthermore, I was specifically asked about my individual experience.

I defend the profession because it's my opinion that policing CAN be a force for good. I don't have direct experience with America so I won't comment on that. But your accusations that even "good" cops are complicit in corruption by turning a blind eye or defending it is simply not true across the board and massively unfair towards people who sacrifice a lot for a very difficult job for selfless reasons. The organisation I worked for had tens of thousands of officers and staff so I'm obviously not going to claim it had zero issues and zero corruption, but it tended to be isolated to specific teams with their own internal culture that outsiders are rarely even aware of. I know this based on both my own experience and my studies of police corruption as part of my first degree.

I can honestly say with my hand on my heart that corruption was extremely rare in my professional experience. And when I saw something questionable (which was almost always down to incompetence rather than malice) I raised it and it was dealt with as appropriate.

I haven't seen any comments qualifying their statement with "ACAB but only America" so I don't think I've "waded in" at all (even putting aside the fact that this is a public forum anyway). All means all, and I object to such a blanket statement. I want to reiterate that I'm really not just trying to bootlick. As I said before, I have no good will towards my precious employer (for totally separate reasons) and I do agree that there are issues in modern policing that need to be addressed.

I've intentionally left my country ambiguous to highlight that saying ALL of any group is a ridiculous statement, because I could be from anywhere in the world and somehow you think you know enough to apply that statement to me and my former colleagues.

As I said, I wrote my dissertation on policing in minority ethnic communities. I specifically went out of my way to understand the sensitivities before I started the career. I also have a master's degree in human rights law, and continue to work in the legal field dealing with these topics every day. I am far better placed than most to understand both sides of the situation (though I'd argue against the assumption that there are 'sides').

How can you say there are all these videos all the time when I haven't even said where I'm from? Because in my country, incidents like what I see often from America are extremely rare.

I dismiss the ACAB movement because it is by definition reductionist. When you say ALL of something is anything in society then I will immediately raise my eyebrows to that claim. Society is not that simple.

The point still stands.

Here in my country we've had a lot of very high profile cases of abuse and even serial murder in the healthcare profession. It's also a position of power that can attract the wrong sort, and it's very well researched how the healthcare sector is institutionally racist and provides worse outcomes - even death - to minority ethnic communities. Are all doctors bastards?

If it's not the point that all cops are bad then why do you use a phrase which states the exact opposite? How can you, with a straight face, justify a stance and narrative that intentionally removes nuance as you just said?

The whole black lives matter thing isn't relevant to my country so I won't comment on that as I quite simply don't know enough about it.

I will reply, because I don't agree with your perception and the implications of your comment.

1. How many times have I casually broken the law and felt okay doing it

In work? Literally never. Not once. Everything is recorded in BWV and is disclosable in court. Documentation and usually a statement is required for the exercise of any legal power. It's all auditable. We even had community engagement groups who watch videos of incidents chosen at random by a computer, and I've had several of mine pulled up for feedback by them.

Putting aside the obvious ethical reasons why I haven't done that and wouldn't want to. Why would I risk my career and income anyway?

2. How many times have I seen another officer break the law and protected them?

Never. Not once. I have reported multiple colleagues in the past for doing things which I thought were questionable, and those concerns were always appropriately actioned by management. I faced no consequences from my peers or the organisation for doing so.

Your presumptions are incorrect. Maybe they are correct where you live, I don't know, but they're not my experience at all. For what it's worth, I'm not American.

I'm not saying these things don't happen and as I've said repeatedly, I'm not saying modern policing is without issues. As someone who has worked in the criminal justice system for years with multiple degrees in the area, your perception of how things actually work in real life and how those problems manifest are not correct, and your judgements towards individuals (including myself) are totally unfair and without nuance.