sweng

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[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago

The point is, it's not at all clear, because Github has it's own definition of what "fork" means. I'm honestly not sure why it's so hard to grasp.

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Tying "fork" to "repositories" is nonsense, because software forks have existed longer thsn e.g. git.

How do you define "repository", such that it makes sense? Is it only Git repositories? Any version control system? How about a .zip-file placed on an FTP server?

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Can you fix dictionary.com as well?

Computers. to copy the source code from (a piece of software) and develop a new version independently, resulting in two unique pieces of software

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fork

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Thst's not at all how it works. The definitions made in the TOS do not "leak" out of said TOS (unless the TOS specifies that, which it does not).

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago (4 children)

So you also agree that copying is not forking as it is commonly understood?

Do you then claim that the license refers ro "fork" as defined in a specific service's TOS (without referencing said servixe at all)?

Otherwise I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that "forking" in the license does not also necessify modification (which is what the common meaning is).

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago

An article exactly about how Github misuses the word "fork": https://drewdevault.com/2019/05/24/What-is-a-fork.html

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

Why on earth would the license use Github's very niche definition? "Forking" as a software concept has been around for decades longer than Github or it's "fork" button has existed.

Also, how about reading the full psragraph?

You may not create, maintain, or distribute a forked version of the software.

(emphasis mine). It only does what you think it does if forking = copying. Which it doesn't.

Question to you: Github provides a button labeled "Download ZIP" for downloading a .zip-file containing the source. If I press that button, am I in your opinion creating a fork?

[–] sweng@programming.dev 3 points 3 days ago (13 children)

How about you continue reading a bit further, until you hit the word "and".

take a copy of source code from one software package and start independent development

(emphasis mine).

Github defines "forking" as just copying, while normally it is understood as copying + further development (creating a "fork" in the development history, hence the name).

[–] sweng@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago (15 children)
[–] sweng@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago (17 children)

I edited my reply to include the definition from Wikipedia, but there are of course many other sources.

[–] sweng@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (19 children)

I got it from the TOS:

By setting your repositories to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view and "fork" your repositories (this means that others may make their own copies of Content from your repositories in repositories they control).

They explicitly define it as making copies. There is no mention of being allowed to modify said copy. Also note the quotes around "fork", since it differs from the usual definition.

E.g. wikpedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software_development) defines it thusly:

In software engineering, a project fork happens when developers take a copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct and separate piece of software.

(Emphasis mine)

[–] sweng@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago (21 children)

The TOS actually does not say you are granting users permissions to fork in the usually understood sense. The TOS gives you permission to copy, which Github calls "forking" even though it isn't.

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