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That's a good point. I probably missed that because I didn't visit those forums. Usually these discussions go around with already bad games. I actually checked BG3 Steam forums now however couldn't find those threads without searching. Perhaps it was a vocal minority? If a game is good, majority don't care about these details or they don't express their feelings even though they're conservatives.

I guess it would be more fitting if I said "symptom of an ongoing debate" or something like that. But like I said, these conversations go around on already bad games. Maybe they being bad attracts these conversations since those people have a tangible indication, even though it's actually not the real reason of it's being bad.

If Veilguard flops, there will be a lot of reasons to list. Not sure if wokeness would make into top 10.

Yes I didn't spend time in BG3 forums but from what I see on Steam reviews being 96% positive out of 500k people, I believe they are a minority.

That's a good question. I think it's more like reciprocal, as a counter measure from conservative people. I wouldn't approach this as left and right quarrel. What we see is political but not in its core I believe, it's pushed into politics.

If simplify it, this whole debate is around having transition chest scars as a customization option, at least that's what I see. Woke is just a bigger cluster here.

That's what I think as well. If it requires, just put 18+ inscription and let people decide for themselves, which I believe Veilguard already has that rating.

Not sure how commercial flop part is related but from what I understand from the people who talk about this, yeah it's more or less something like that. Though I can easily say that many people have different definition of "woke" in their minds and it shows. Consistency differs.

This is my conclusion, from what I see, it is mostly about TQ+ part.

On broader range everything in the game is part of the experience. However there is a significance order to that. Core gameplay loop comes first, every person who plays the game experience this. Back story is lore. To me lore is also important and a very enjoyable part of the games, but some people are not interested in this and they tend to skip these parts. If they are optional (like reading books in Skyrim or reading pamphlets in Shadowrun etc.) they don't even bother with them.

Citation: Cyberpunk 2077, Baldur's Gate 3, I can even put Stardew Valley in this list, though not as vocal as others. I didn't see anyone bash these games as being woke, or maybe they are a minority if there are.

Visuals are part of the experience, it's not unrelated. Gameplay is the core, you only have make up without it. If the game turn out to be good, most of these will be forgotten. There are a lot of good games that can be considered as "woke" and no one talk about them like this. Because they are good games.