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[–] fr0g@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

Thanks! Will take a look.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

In combination with these and many more statements made by high ranking AfD members there is no plausible deniability left.

Well, that certainly is a much better and more comprehensive point. It's also just a claim of course and personally I don't have a good enough overview of all the statements made, their relations etc to meaningfully judge that.

You're free to expand on that point in more detail of course. Other than that, I can't meaningfull contribute much here at this point.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Who's "they"? The afd related person sitting most closely to the Afd leadership was "let go" from his position in response to the revelations. And all of them claim they were there in private capacity.

Without further evidence that is hardly worth all that much in front of a court.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

that is in davger of being "conquered" by inferior races that have to be deported or murdered to prevent this alleged conquest.

While that's a common talking point on the right, that's not even what the statement is saying. The only ones who are clearly villified in it are the people in power and they're even brandished as supposedly "unconstitutional" (implying the Afd is on the side of the constitution).

It's still complete hogwash of course and pure conspiracy thinking that is gross and detestable in several different ways.

The point is that their ideology gives way to murderous violence.

I don't disagree. My point is only that just saying/claiming that by itself isn't going to hold up in court. If it were, Weidel would have long been sued and found guilty of "Volksverhetzung" for statements like that. But these people, at least the more cunning ones, know how to couch their hate in words that generate some degree of plausible deniability and let their followers fill out the blanks.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

It is classic Nazi rhetoric and uses the same scapegoat that Anders Breivik used to justify the mass murder of more than 70 teenagers in Norway.

It's awful, but I'm not sure how exactly you think that would factor in or be relevant in a possible court case. I'm fairly certain the bar of evidence is a bit higher than "they share talking points with other Nazis".

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

Yes, because doing it right now or waiting until it's entirely too late are the only two options. Not sure what that post is trying to accomplish.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago (14 children)

And yet they don't want to initiate the procedure to ban the fascist part

I'm for doing that in general, but I think doing that now would be pretty dumb. If you want to initiate the procedure you better make sure your case is air tight, everything else would be a desaster. Only some regional organizations have been designated extremist so far and some only recently. So a lot of the gathering of evidence has started and surely there will be more to come.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 6 points 8 months ago

If I spend 100€ now to avoid 10000€ in damages later, spending more money NOW will actually leave me with LESS debt in the long run. And we just so happen to be in the midst of a global catastrophe where every Euro not spent as early as possible to prevent it will make it infinitely more expensive for us in the long run.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 5 points 8 months ago

SPD, FDP and Greens also want a #klimageld. Comes 2025.

Well, about that... https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/klimageld-106.html

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 5 points 8 months ago

Würde dir hier auf jeden Fall zustimmen, dass, sollte hier wirklich etwas faul sein, es sich wohl kaum um irgendeine super ausgefeilte Strategie handeln wird. Nach Virenscanner schauen und vielleicht einmal die Liste an installierten Programmen und Browser Add-Ons durchgehen, wäre jetzt auch meine erste Handhabe gewesen. Richtige Malware musste es ja auch nicht einmal sein. Könnte mir vorstellen, dass man mit einer entsprechend eingerichteten Remote-Desktop Anwendung auch schon ziemlich viel Schabernack betreiben könnte, weiß jetzt aber nicht, wie plausibel das ist.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Ja, geht mir auch so.

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